AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs

[C.Strobl]

i think you didn't have read my mail? i have bought this book already, but that 
isn't the point. if you are beginning emacs the first thing is the 
download-page, the second the manual, the third a tutorial in the internet, ... 
 buying a book as first duty for beginners is for me not the right way. 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden 
Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 19:45
An: Strobl, Christian; address@hidden; address@hidden
Cc: address@hidden
Betreff: RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs

Hi

The solution I went for was to buy Learning GNU Emacs 3rd Edition, Cameron et 
al, pub O'Reilly.
ISBN 0-596-00648-9

Hope this helps

Vincent


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> Subject: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
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> 
> hello all,
> 
> because i started the discussion i am feeling constrained to say some 
> words to the discussion with the background of an emacs beginner.
> first of all my motivation. the last years i worked with ultraedit and 
> was quite content. then i changed my job and ultraedit wasn't  
> available any more. i didn't want to write a requst for buying 
> software and so i searched with google for an advanced open source 
> editor which was capable of editing columns.
> i wasn't the first with that problem and nearly all answers i found in 
> different discussion groups pointed to emacs. as an old friend of open 
> source software i knew emacs and his history but i didn't dare until 
> yet to use it becaues all people i know said its so complicated and 
> time consuming to learn it.
> next i went to the emacs homepage and downloaded the win32-binaries 
> and installed it. Looking for help i was a little bit confused about 
> the many links and  headlines below the point  Getting Help with GNU 
> Emacs.
> next i looked at the help menu. Glad to see the point tutorial i 
> started to work through and after a few hours i was ready to start. 
> but now i was faced with typical editing problems. for example i 
> wanted to move a paragraph from one point in the document to the 
> other. in ultraedit (or notepad or proton or ...) a quite simple task: 
> (text marking with the mouse C-x C-v). in emacs at the first look a 
> little bit more complicated or at least unfamiliar to me. i didn't 
> found such an example in the emacs manual  and it took quite a time to 
> find one with google. next i wanted to delete all empty lines, search 
> and replace strings and so on, typical edit tasks at least i bought 
> the book learning ggnu emacs and after a while i read somewhere maybe 
> in the book maybe in the internet that its better to open every file 
> in the same frame. so i came to emacsW32. because i had a problem with 
> the installation (my fault, look some emails before) i thought a way 
> to solve it would be to edit the .emacs-file.
> again i looked in the manual but i didn't find something. i was still 
> a beginner and i didn't know at all that the .emacs-file and elisp has 
> the same basics.
> but i stayed  stiff-necked and after a lot fo attempts i found a 
> solution which worked but i wasn't really content. so i wrote to the 
> list and lennard helped me out. but i wanted a list of all possible 
> customization commands. the solution came from drew adams (M-x 
> customize-apropos-options RET .
> RET). that was i looked for. and after the mails of eli i took a 
> second closer look to the manual and now i am quite sure that nearly 
> everything about emacs i can find there and i am sure with more 
> experience i will use the manual more extensively. eli is also right 
> that many internetsites are outdated and pointing in the wrong 
> direction. BUT if you are a emacs-newbie, at least for me, the manual 
> is very confusing maybe because its so powerfull, like emacs itself. 
> at the first time all i had needed would be a simple document with 
> normal tasks:
> 
> 1) installation and configuration (for me especially with windows)
> 2) simple emacs-commandos like described in the tutorial in the emacs 
> help menu
> 3) more extensivly examples for typical editing tasks like search and 
> replace, copy and paste, rectangle editing, ...and so on. only with 
> examples newbies can see the possibilities of emacs
> 4) a few word about the .emacs file and customization
> 5) a glossary with the special emacs terms
> 6) and all that in a separat pdf-document
> 
> again, i am sure everything i wrote above is integrated in the manual 
> but a newbie has great problems to find it and i am sure many 
> potential users give up after a few hours. the best would be this 
> pdf-file could be downloaded with the emacs-file an a bundle or at 
> least at the same site.
> 
> all i wrote above is my personal experience and opinion. but i wanted 
> to write it to you all because you are investing so much time for such 
> a great project like emacs and the only i can do now is to give you 
> some feedback for your work with the background of a beginner. i have 
> installed emacs since two weeks, i have invested a lot of time, much 
> more time than i have ever invested for example to learn ultraedit, 
> but i am confident that its an investment for the future and for me 
> its also a lot of fun to to discover the possibilities of emacs. but i 
> think it would easier to climb on the first emacs-hill with a short 
> introduction-document than with the emacs bible what the manual in 
> fact is.
> 
> thanks to all again for your help and greetings from munich christian
> 
> p.s. maybe i write for myself such a document if a know more about 
> emacs
>  
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden
> Im Auftrag von Eli Zaretskii
> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 11:10
> An: Lennart Borgman
> Cc: address@hidden
> Betreff: Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
> 
> > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:40:12 +0200
> > From: Lennart Borgman <address@hidden>
> > CC:  address@hidden
> > 
> > > What, you mean your advice to use Explorer?  I just saved
> you from
> > > RMS's wrath, that's all ;-)
> > >
> > >   
> > Firefox please ;-)
> 
> Wed all know what most Windows users have on their boxes as the 
> default browser.
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