[Top][All Lists]
[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
Re: [h-e-w] new user keybindings
From: |
Guy Gascoigne - Piggford |
Subject: |
Re: [h-e-w] new user keybindings |
Date: |
Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:14:50 -0700 |
User-agent: |
Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) |
I'd have to say that I think that Lennart is right here. I learned
Emacs about 15 or so years ago, happily managing with the default key
bindings on every platform that I used, but nowadays my default desktop
is Windows XP, I switched to the CUA keybindings simply because it made
for a much better experience switching between a various applications
(and because personally I actually find them easier).
I see no reason why emacs should have to make simple things harder, if a
large percentage of possible new users already know a popular set of
keybindings, why shouldn't there be a simple option to setup and find
them, and why can't this be documented? I don't think that many new
users care about learning the "Emacs way" of doing things or the "CUA
way", they just want to learn how to use Emacs with as short a learning
curve as possible and if they can apply knowledge that they already have
then that process is going to be quicker.
Seriously, I don't know what a standard installation of emacs is anyway.
I've never bothered to use one, the only reason Emacs is on any of the
Unix machines here is because I installed it and then promptly pointed
it at my .emacs file. The other Unix users here are all vi fans and
just don't have the time or inclination to learn a new editor with a
notoriously steep learning curve (especially since vi is everywhere and
emacs isn't).
I guess what I'm trying to say is that people learn a very customized
version of Emacs anyway, I might not worry about teaching them to rebind
keys per se, but I might well want to tell them that there are
alternative binding that they might well find easier.
Guy
Stephen F. Heffner wrote:
> Lennart Borgman spake thusly:
>
>
>> IMHO CUA-bindings are that important for windows users that
>> they deserve
>> a place in the tutorial. I believe cua-mode makes it much
>> easier for a
>> windows user to learn and use Emacs.
>>
>
> I guess that's true, if you assume:
>
> o The typical newbie is unwilling and/or unable to learn the standard
> Emacs key bindings, and will therefore never use Emacs unless it's
> made to operate like a Windows app
>
> o The person will never use Emacs on any other platform, e.g. Linux
>
> o The person doesn't mind being locked into the "Windows way" of doing
> things
>
> Certainly for some people these assumptions will be true; the question is what
> proportion of the potential Emacs user base on Windows falls into that group.
>
> However, as newbies gain experience and do more things with Emacs, they will
> find that CUA only covers the basics, and they will have to learn the "Emacs
> way" anyway, in order to progress in proficiency.
>
> I started using Emacs on VMS and moved to Windows much later, so my fingers
> know the original bindings as my lungs know how to breathe. IMHO, they're not
> bad WRT ergonomics. At least they're 2-finger chords, unlike some Windows
> apps
> that require the digital equivalent of the "Twister" game to accomplish (Emacs
> jokes to the contrary notwithstanding). And, as I mentioned before, they let
> a touch-typist concentrate on thinking instead of looking at the keyboard...
>
> My 2c (plain) as usual
>
> Steve Heffner
>
> Stephen F. Heffner, President | Phone: +1(480)626-5503
> ------------ | Fax: +1(480)626-7618
> Pennington Systems Incorporated | Email: address@hidden
> 8655 East Via de Ventura, Suite G200 | Web: http://WWW.Pennington.com
> Scottsdale, Arizona 85258 USA | XTRAN: A software engineering
> meta-tool
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Guy Gascoigne-Piggford
www.wyrdrune.com
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, (continued)
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/11
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Nat Goodspeed, 2006/07/13
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/13
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Nat Goodspeed, 2006/07/13
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Stephen F. Heffner, 2006/07/13
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/11
- Re: [h-e-w] new user keybindings, Stephen Leake, 2006/07/11
- Re: [h-e-w] new user keybindings, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/11
- Re: [h-e-w] new user keybindings, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/15
- RE: [h-e-w] new user keybindings, Stephen F. Heffner, 2006/07/15
- Re: [h-e-w] new user keybindings,
Guy Gascoigne - Piggford <=
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/11
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Alessandro Vesely, 2006/07/11
- [h-e-w] Re: EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Mathias Dahl, 2006/07/11
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/11
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/11
- [h-e-w] Re: AW: EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Brian Elmegaard, 2006/07/12
RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Phil Betts, 2006/07/06