Re: [h-e-w] Alt-tab does not switch tasks

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Hi Bill,

Ah, good. No, you did not miss any instructions for upgrading, but I 
did. Miss to write them. And I have no idea that this could cause 
trouble like this (I still do not understand why, but that is another 
story).

I will think about where to put the information that you just have given 
me, thanks.


Raynor, Bill wrote:
> Success!
> 1. Site-start.el had three versions of the code produced by W32 starting
> Added by w32-feeling-setup-base at...
> One from 2005, one from 2007, and the most recent 2008 one.
> I commented out the old ones and the problem is gone.
>
> 2. default.el has two old entries a 2005 one that loads w32-feeling and
> a 2007 one that loads emacsw32. I commented out both of them, with no
> apparent ill effects.
>
> Did I miss an instruction to clean those out when upgrading? If so, I
> apologize for the inconvenience. I haven't ever used those and basically
> didn't know what they were for.
>
> Thanks for your help and patience (and W32) 
>
> Bill 
>
> Bill Raynor
> Innovation Design & Testing
> (920) 721-5973
> Email: address@hidden
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [mailto:address@hidden
> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:44 PM
> > To: Raynor, Bill
> > Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Alt-tab does not switch tasks
> >
> > I found nothing strange there. I tested with you .emacs and could not
> > reproduce the problem.
> >
> > Is there something special in your site-start.el or your default.el?
> >
> > What version of Windows are you using?
> > Are you perhaps using some software that binds some keys globally?
> Some
> > other software that could possibly interfere?
> >
> >
> > Raynor, Bill wrote:
> > > Here it is. Thanks for your time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Raynor
> > > Innovation Design & Testing
> > > (920) 721-5973
> > > Email: address@hidden
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [mailto:address@hidden
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:31 PM
> > > > To: Raynor, Bill
> > > > Cc: address@hidden; address@hidden
> > > > Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Alt-tab does not switch tasks
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. I suspect there is some other customization involved. Could
> > > you
> > > > perhaps send me your .emacs? Send it to me directly if you prefer
> > > that.
> > > > Raynor, Bill wrote:
> > > > > Lennart,
> > > > > I copied your custom-set-variables defn into my .emacs and the
> > > ALT-TAB
> > > > > problem reappeared.
> > > > > When I commented out the w32-meta-style line, the problem goes
> away.
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Raynor
> > > > > Innovation Design & Testing
> > > > > (920) 721-5973
> > > > > Email: address@hidden
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [mailto:address@hidden
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:04 PM
> > > > > > To: Raynor, Bill
> > > > > > Cc: address@hidden; address@hidden
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Alt-tab does not switch tasks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Raynor, Bill wrote:
> > > > > > > If I eliminate the entire (custom-set-variables ... definition
> the
> > > > > > > ALT-Tab problem goes away.
> > > > > > > If I comment out " ;(desktop-save-mode 1)" the pid complaint
> > > ceases.
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is the custom-set-variables definition:
> > > > > > > ;(custom-set-variables
> > > > > > > ;  ;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom.
> > > > > > > ;  ;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be
> careful.
> > > > > > > ;  ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance.
> > > > > > > ;  ;; If there is more than one, they won't work right.
> > > > > > > ; '(cua-mode t nil (cua-base))
> > > > > > > ; '(emacsw32-max-frames nil)
> > > > > > > ; '(emacsw32-mode t)
> > > > > > > ; '(emacsw32-style-frame-title t)
> > > > > > > ; '(htmlize-view-print-visible t t)
> > > > > > > ; '(menuacc-active t nil (menuacc))
> > > > > > > ; '(org-agenda-files (quote ("~/todo.org")))
> > > > > > > ; '(pr-gs-command "c:\\Program
> > > > > Files\\gs\\gs8.54\\bin\\gswin32c.exe")
> > > > > > > ; '(pr-gv-command "C:\\Program
> > > > > Files\\Ghostgum\\gsview\\gsview32.exe")
> > > > > > > ; '(recentf-mode t)
> > > > > > > ; '(swbuff-y-mode t)
> > > > > > > ; '(transient-mark-mode t)
> > > > > > > ; '(w32-feeling-mode t nil (w32-feeling))
> > > > > > > ; '(w32-meta-style (quote w32-lr))
> > > > > > Please try commenting out only the line above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ; '(w32-print-menu-show-print nil)
> > > > > > > ; '(w32-print-menu-show-ps-print nil)
> > > > > > > ; '(w32shell-shell (quote cmd)))
> > > > > > > ;(custom-set-faces
> > > > > > > ;  ;; custom-set-faces was added by Custom.
> > > > > > > ;  ;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be
> careful.
> > > > > > > ;  ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance.
> > > > > > > ;  ;; If there is more than one, they won't work right.
> > > > > > > ; )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How does one comment out individual pieces of the
> > > > > custom-set-variables
> > > > > > > definition? My lisp experience is of the cut and paste variety.
> > > > > > Just comment them out line by line here. Make sure the
> parenthesis
> > > > > match.
> > > > > > But I can't see how any of these affect Alt-Tab. Maybe
> > > w32-meta-style,
> > > > > > see above. (If so it is a bug I should fix.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the corresponding parts of my customizations:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (custom-set-variables
> > > > > >   '(cua-mode t nil (cua-base))
> > > > > >   '(emacsw32-max-frames t)
> > > > > >   '(emacsw32-mode t)
> > > > > >   '(emacsw32-remove-emacs-print t)
> > > > > >   '(emacsw32-style-frame-title t)
> > > > > >   '(htmlize-view-print-visible t t)
> > > > > >   '(menuacc-mode t)
> > > > > >   '(org-CUA-compatible t)
> > > > > >   '(org-replace-disputed-keys t)
> > > > > >   '(ourcomments-ido-ctrl-tab t)
> > > > > >   '(recentf-mode t)
> > > > > >   '(w32-meta-style (quote w32-lr))
> > > > > >   '(w32-print-menu-show-print nil)
> > > > > >   '(w32-print-menu-show-ps-print nil)
> > > > > >   '(w32shell-shell (quote cmd)))
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill Raynor
> > > > > > > Innovation Design & Testing
> > > > > > > (920) 721-5973
> > > > > > > Email: address@hidden
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Lennart Borgman (gmail)
> [mailto:address@hidden
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:07 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Raynor, Bill
> > > > > > > > Cc: address@hidden; address@hidden
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Alt-tab does not switch tasks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Bill,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It tells us that the problem is related to your setup, not that
> > > the
> > > > > > > > cause necessarily is there.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Could you try to find out what in your .emacs that causes this
> > > > > > > problem?
> > > > > > > > Raynor, Bill wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Lennart,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is no problem if I start use "emacs -Q" from the command
> > > > > line
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > C:\apps\emacs\emacs\bin
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The problem occurs if I start it with a simple "emacs "
> command.
> > > > > > > > > The problem still occurs if I use the icon in the systray.
> That
> > > > > > > points
> > > > > > > > > to C:\Apps\Emacs\emacs\bin\emacsclientw.exe -n
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Does this point to a problem in my .emacs file or something
> > > else?
> > > > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bill Raynor
> > > > > > > > > Innovation Design & Testing
> > > > > > > > > (920) 721-5973
> > > > > > > > > Email: address@hidden
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Lennart Borgman (gmail)
> > > [mailto:address@hidden
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:37 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Raynor, Bill
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: address@hidden; address@hidden
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Alt-tab does not switch tasks
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Raynor, Bill wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > For Lennart's questions:
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Yes, the problem persists after reboot.
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. The problem only occurs with emacs. For example, if emacs
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > covers
> > > > > > > > > > > part of the window if I click on the outlook or firefox in
> the
> > > > > > > > > > > background, alt-tab works as it should.
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Since the behavior is tied to the emacs window,
> everything
> > > is
> > > > > > > > > okay
> > > > > > > > > > > when that window does not have the focus, and after emacs
> has
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > closed using C-x-C-c
> > > > > > > > > > Could you please try and see if this problem is there if you
> > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > Emacs
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >    emacs -Q
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