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Re: Chinese characters support
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Lee Sau Dan |
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Re: Chinese characters support |
Date: |
13 May 2003 09:40:15 +0200 |
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Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 |
>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Muller <acmuller@gol.com> writes:
Charles> I know that, and I am not contesting that point. But
Charles> again, the HELLO file is not a utf-8 file.
I think you're being religious. Why must it be utf-8?
Charles> It is also not a form of JIS or other East Asian
Charles> encoding,
It's emacs-mule encoding --- Emac's own representation of the
information about characters/encodings that it keeps.
Charles>so the fact that one can display multilingual
Charles> scripts by opening that file does not mean that they will
Charles> be able to display them in Big5, JIS, or whatever.
If one can see the Big5 text in that file, he can see all other Big5
files. If one can see the Thai characters in that file, he can also
see the Thai characters when he opens a Thai text file with the
suitable encoding (the default if he has done
set-language-environement correctly). And so on.
Charles> People who recommend checking this file are usually
Charles> people who don't use double-byte East Asian languages.
Sorry, I use Big5 very often. And I do recommend C-h h as a quick
test to see if he has installed the big5 fonts correctly. (Big5 fonts
do not come with XFree86, and many Linux distros has been ignoring the
"leim" and "intlfont" packages for years.)
>> The file is in a relevant encoding: it's the encoding used by
>> Emacs internally. (Or rather, an encoding close to the
>> internal encoding.)
Charles> Relevant to whom?
To Emacs.
Charles> It's not in utf-8, right?
So what? My .signature is in Big5 and it is not in utf-8, either.
And my .emacs file is in emacs-mule encoding, which is not utf-8,
either. Neither are utf-16 files utf-8.
I think you're being religious when you worship utf-8. For Chinese
text, utf-8 wastes 50% of storage space. I'd rather use utf-16. But
big5 has the same storage efficiency (and more when you include some
English text) and it is more common.
Charles> No one that I know who works in XML or with East Asian
Charles> international scripts works in utf-7,
And for XML in Chinese, utf-8 wastes lots of space. To be practical,
we often use big5 for XML files with Chinese.
Charles> so while that encoding format may be relevant for those
Charles> who are programming Emacs internally, it is not relevant
Charles> for anyone using Emacs to do multilingual XML or HTML
Charles> publication, because no one uses it. That's what I mean
Charles> when I say "not relevant."
My experience with Emac's utf-8 <--> internal conversion has been
good.
--
Lee Sau Dan 李守敦(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
E-mail: danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de
Home page: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee
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