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Re: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments
From: |
Christopher Dimech |
Subject: |
Re: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments |
Date: |
Fri, 27 Nov 2020 03:41:18 +0100 |
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM
> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments
>
> > The manuals should be rewritten because they are
> > incomprehensible. Perhaps it was good in the eighties.
>
> Maybe. Or maybe programmers in the eighties
> read more? or better?
Maybe, but today there is a problem of too much material.
> Would you like to contribute to rewriting or
> otherwise improving the manuals? The job's
> open.
Sure, I'm working on it.
> > It continues forever.
>
> Yep, Emacs gives you a lifetime of learning,
> if you let it.
>
> > Consider "face customisation" for instance,
> > which just means font.
>
> Bzzzzzzt! Nope. But thanks for playing.
>
> > Nobody fuckin reads a manual with 17 nodes.
>
> I do. I'm not nobody.
>
> Those who developed Emacs, and those who
> continue to develop it, feel that Emacs doc
> is vitally important to what Emacs is and
> what it aims to be.
Yes, for those who have spent quite some time
on emacs it could be good enough.
> Personally, I couldn't be more thankful for
> that perspective. That's my Thanksgiving
> message...
>
> > You don't know which one to use, which
> > commands are most useful, and so on.
>
> You don't know if you don't read - true.
> You don't know if you don't try - true.
>
> > The problem gets compounded because every
> > esoteric command is there.
>
> No. Most commands (and most functions, keys,
> faces,...) are intentionally NOT documented
> in the manuals. Likewise, for most "esoteric"
> commands (functions,...).
>
> Your verdict reminds me of Emperor Joseph
> telling Mozart there were too many notes...
Do you think most are Mozart? We ain't!
> Too many books in the library. Internet's
> too big. What's a body to do?
>
> > You are just insisting on something bad
> > and inefficient.
>
> You are just insisting that people help
> you find info that's easy for you to find,
> yourself.
>
> I don't insist that you read the manuals.
> Not at all. Your loss, if you don't. Or
> maybe you'll be able to continue getting
> spoon-fed here. Good luck with that.
Wait a while ;)
> I'm actually glad people here help you.
> I was trying to let you know that people
> might be all the more likely to help if you
> show some research effort.
Will ask more complicated as I work more on it.
I got into elisp to help me in what I was doing
without too much time reading for the joy of it.
But yes, I should do it.
> Do I think Emacs users should ask questions?
> Absolutely. Do I sometimes help Emacs users
> by answering questions? Sure do - every day.
>
> But the single best way I can help in that
> regard is to help learn how to "Ask Emacs".
> https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/08/28/fish/
> ___
>
> You wanna know how it was in the _real_
> good-ole days?
>
> http://www2.phy.ilstu.edu/pte/209content/agassiz.html
One got to endure with what one's got I suppose.
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- RE: Auto Fill Comments, Drew Adams, 2020/11/27
- Re: Auto Fill Comments, Jean Louis, 2020/11/27
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- Re: Auto Fill Comments, Jean Louis, 2020/11/27
- RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments, Drew Adams, 2020/11/26
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- Re: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments, Jean Louis, 2020/11/27
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