Re: First ever GSL Technical Report (ALFs)

[Mike Marchywka]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 03:45:18AM -0500, Mike Marchywka wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:00:31PM -0500, Liam Healy wrote:
> >    This thread seems relevant; as of 2015 or so, the answer was "most 
> > probably not":
> >    
> > [https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/issues/132#issuecomment-164936220]https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/
> >    issues/132#issuecomment-164936220
> >    and if you scroll all the way to the bottom through many "any updates on 
> > this?" postings,
> >    you'll see postings from a few days ago saying basically nothing's 
> > changed.
> >    I just checked some of my papers on Zenodo, and none came up in GS.

 I went to google scolar and typed in "zenodo" and after the papers
ABOUT Zenodo there seemed to be several that are on Zenodo. As
it seems to be affiliated with CERN, it has all the right 
credentials. However, GS may curate them by some unknown rules.

Their DOI url will redirect to their zenodo web pages but
apparently can not be used to get the bibtex info without
scraping the Zenodo site. Most publishers make
the citation info available through crossref making
it easier to cite from a DOI. 

However, as I search for click-through tracking, the DOI url's
make a natural as they all go to the same domain and right now their
server does not seem to mind a made up query string. So, if you want
their server to know the work that created your curiosity, you could
make your bibliography contain DOI links with your DOI in 
the query string - then you just need to get them to count and
disseminate the results :)


> 
> I started using researchgate and academia.edu a couple years ago and monitored
> GS indexing. Most of these come up a week or so after posting but
> they may curate them hard to know,
> 
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka
> 
> Again, researchgate generates a DOI but I'm not sure it is useful
> for getting bibliographic information since neither it nor the one
> I checked from Zenodo worked with crossref.
> 
> Googgle Scholar does have a way to generate bibtex from an indexed result
> but last time I looked it was very terse or incomplete. When I find hits
> on GS I don't use their cite facilities but put the link into Toobib
> ( others may use Zotero ). In any case, once a document is downloaded 
> you may still want to cite it but I don't see anyone other than myself
> advocating a method to include machine readable citation information.  
> Also there is another annoyance in the lack of being able to know
> when a document generates interest as with a user clicking on a 
> bibliographic citation. I'm working on a modifying bibliographies
> in documents I gnerate to put a doc identifier ( maybe a DOI when
> a useful one exists ) in the query string so a server could
> attribute the click to the work. Or, maybe do as google does
> and wrap the entire URL into a central passthrough server
> so it can cound the clicks before redirecting to the
> real location :)
> 
> 
> >    On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:25 PM Mike Marchywka 
> > <[mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >      On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:32:27AM -0500, Liam Healy wrote:
> >      > I suggest archiving on Zenodo 
> > [https://zenodo.org/]https://zenodo.org/. This will provide
> >      > permanent storage and a DOI. Subsequent revisions will get their own 
> > DOI,
> >      > but there is also a generic DOI. You can even make a GSL "community"
> >      > [https://zenodo.org/communities/]https://zenodo.org/communities/.
> >      Do you know if google scholar indexes these? It looks like
> >      they index most of researchgate and [http://academia.edu/]academia.edu.
> >      Researhgate creates a DOI but apparently they don't tell "Crossref"
> >      about it so it is hard to cite ( if anyone know differently great).
> >      In any case, the output document  ( usually pdf ) should have
> >      machine readable info in the extended information if you want
> >      people to easily cite it. This can be hard since you don't
> >      know where it is going and can't put in a url etc. The bibtex
> >      download software can put on the finishing touches however.
> >      I just took a random page,
> >      
> > [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW
> >      and TooBib tried to look up the DOI,
> >      
> > [http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333]http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333
> >      which returned a 404. This seems to be the right
> >      DOI as displayed on the page,
> >      February 17, 2022
> >      DOI:
> >      10.5281/zenodo.6126333
> >      Keyword(s):
> >      However, toobib did find a citation using a standard method whereas
> >      with researchgate it is a struggle,
> >      % mjmhandler: toobib handleadhochtml<-citation
> >      % date 2022-02-17:12:07:12 Thu Feb 17 12:07:12 EST 2022
> >      % srcurl: 
> > [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU
> >      % citeurl: 
> > [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU
> >      @article{processeddataYangKalverla,
> >      X_TooBib = {date: FixBeKvp s=2022/02/17 cmd=date -f -  "+%Y-%m-%d" 
> > d=2022-02-17 dn=date},
> >      X_TooBib = {year: ReWriteKvp dn=year sn=date flags=4},
> >      X_TooBib = {month: ReWriteKvp dn=month sn=date flags=7},
> >      X_TooBib = {day: ReWriteKvp dn=day sn=date flags=7},
> >      X_TooBib = {publisher: ReWriteParse be.get(s)= be.get(dest)=},
> >      X_TooBib = {journal: ReWriteParse be.get(s)= be.get(dest)=},
> >      X_TooBib = {urldate: FixBeKvp s= cmd=date "+%Y-%m-%d" d=2022-02-17 
> > dn=urldate},
> >      X_TooBib = {author:  Liu , Yang and  Kalverla , Peter and  Alidoost , 
> > Fakhereh and  Verhoeven , Stefan and  Vreede ,
> >      Barbara and  Booth , Ben and  Coppola , Erika and  Nogherotto , Rita 
> > and  Brunner , Lukas and  Harris , Glen and  Qasmi
> >      , Said and  Ballinger , Andrew and  Hegerl , Gabriele and  McSweeney , 
> > Carol and  O ' Reilly , Christopher and  Palmer ,
> >      Tamzin and  Ribes , Aurélien and  de Vries , Hylke},
> >      abstract_html_url = 
> > {[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333},
> >      author = { Liu , Yang and  Kalverla , Peter and  Alidoost , Fakhereh 
> > and  Verhoeven , Stefan and  Vreede , Barbara and
> >      Booth , Ben and  Coppola , Erika and  Nogherotto , Rita and  Brunner , 
> > Lukas and  Harris , Glen and  Qasmi , Said and
> >      Ballinger , Andrew and  Hegerl , Gabriele and  McSweeney , Carol and  
> > O ' Reilly , Christopher and  Palmer , Tamzin and
> >      Ribes , Aurélien and  de Vries , Hylke},
> >      author_orig = {Liu, Yang and Kalverla, Peter and Alidoost, Fakhereh 
> > and Verhoeven, Stefan and Vreede, Barbara and Booth,
> >      Ben and Coppola, Erika and Nogherotto, Rita and Brunner, Lukas and 
> > Harris, Glen and Qasmi, Said and Ballinger, Andrew
> >      and Hegerl, Gabriele and McSweeney, Carol and O'Reilly, Christopher 
> > and Palmer, Tamzin and Ribes, Aurélien and de Vries,
> >      Hylke},
> >      date = {2022-02-17},
> >      day = {17},
> >      doi = {10.5281/zenodo.6126333},
> >      keywords = {climate and EUCP},
> >      month = {02},
> >      pagetitle = {Pre-processed data of atlas in EUCP-WP2 | Zenodo},
> >      publication_date = {2022/02/17},
> >      title = {Pre-processed data of atlas in EUCP-WP2},
> >      urldate = {2022-02-17},
> >      year = {2022},
> >      
> > url={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU},
> >      
> > srcurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU},
> >      
> > xsrcurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU},
> >      
> > citeurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU}
> >      }
> >      >
> >      > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 4:21 AM Mike Marchywka 
> > <[mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com>
> >      > wrote:
> >      >
> >      > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 11:24:53PM -0700, Patrick Alken wrote:
> >      > > > Thanks Mark,
> >      > > >
> >      > > >   I don't think it is suitable for publication in a journal.
> >      > > > There is nothing novel here, its just technical details of how
> >      > > > to calculate ALFs efficiently.
> >      > >
> >      > > But how should other people cite your work? This is a recurring 
> > problem
> >      > > for me and I have created a developmental tool maybe similar to
> >      > > Zotero for obtaining bibtex from many random links. When I post
> >      > > pdf "tech reports", for example,
> >      > >
> >      > > 
> > [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka
> >      > >
> >      > > I try to include human AND machine readable bibtex.
> >      > > If you look at any of my recent pdf files there is always a 
> > suggsted
> >      > > version at the end although I'm not sure if Zotero or Toobib
> >      > > can find that. In the extended information I include
> >      > > bibtex info but have not found a well accepted or commonly
> >      > > used way to do this ( [http://tug.org/]tug.org website in 
> > particular does not
> >      > > seem to have an easy way to cite their works unless you know
> >      > > about their lookup -table page )
> >      > > Its not hard to do this with latex and I can contribute
> >      > > the few lines I use to do it if anyone wants it.
> >      > >
> >      > > For example,
> >      > > exifutil -list covidup.pdf
> >      > > ExifTool Version Number         : 11.75
> >      > > File Name                       : covidup.pdf
> >      > > Directory                       : .
> >      > > File Size                       : 417 kB
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> >      > > File Access Date/Time           : 2022:02:16 19:50:21-05:00
> >      > > File Inode Change Date/Time     : 2022:02:16 18:11:39-05:00
> >      > > File Permissions                : rw-rw-r--
> >      > > File Type                       : PDF
> >      > > File Type Extension             : pdf
> >      > > MIME Type                       : application/pdf
> >      > > PDF Version                     : 1.5
> >      > > Linearized                      : No
> >      > > Page Count                      : 31
> >      > > Page Mode                       : UseOutlines
> >      > > Author                          :
> >      > > Title                           :
> >      > > Subject                         :
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> >      > > X-bib-filename                  : covidup
> >      > > X-bib-run-date                  : February 16, 2022
> >      > > X-bib-title                     : An Update: On the age 
> > distribution of
> >      > > SARS-Cov-2 Patients
> >      > > X-bib-author                    : Mike J Marchywka
> >      > > X-bib-type                      : techreport
> >      > > X-bib-name                      : marchywka-MJM-2021-007
> >      > > X-bib-number                    : MJM-2021-007
> >      > > X-bib-version                   : 0.00
> >      > > X-bib-institution               : not institutionalized, 
> > independent
> >      > > X-bib-address                   :  306 Charles Cox , Canton GA 
> > 30115
> >      > > X-bib-date                      : February 16, 2022
> >      > > X-bib-startdate                 : 2021-07-21
> >      > > X-bib-day                       : 16
> >      > > X-bib-month                     : 2
> >      > > X-bib-year                      : 2022
> >      > > X-bib-author 1email             : 
> > [mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com
> >      > > X-bib-contact                   : 
> > [mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com
> >      > > X-bib-author 1id                : 
> > [http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9237-455X]orcid.org/0000-0001-9237-455X
> >      > > X-bib-pages                     :  31
> >      > > X-bib-bibtex                    :  
> > @techreport{marchywka-MJM-2021-007,
> >      > > filename ="covidup" , run-date ="February 16, 2022" , title ="An 
> > Update: On
> >      > > the age distribution of SARS-Cov-2 Patients " , author ="Mike J 
> > Marchywka "
> >      > > , type ="techreport" , name ="marchywka-MJM-2021-007" , number
> >      > > ="MJM-2021-007" , version ="0.00" , institution ="not 
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> > date
> >      > > ="February 16, 2022" , startdate ="2021-07-21" , day ="16" , month 
> > ="2" ,
> >      > > year ="2022" , author1email 
> > ="[mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com"; , contact ="
> >      > > [mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com"; , author1id
> >      ="[http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9237-455X]orcid.org/0000-0001-9237-455X"; 
> > ,
> >      > > pages =" 31" }
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> >      > > Modify Date                     : 2022:02:16 18:11:38-05:00
> >      > > Trapped                         : False
> >      > > PTEX Fullbanner                 : This is LuaTeX, Version 
> > beta-0.80.0 (TeX
> >      > > Live 2015/Debian) (rev 5238)
> >      > >
> >      > >
> >      > >
> >      > > >
> >      > > > I'll see if I can fix the formatting issue on eq. 36. Its a
> >      > > > good idea to cite GSL, I will add that :)
> >      > > >
> >      > > > Patrick
> >      > > >
> >      > > > On 2/16/22 22:51, Mark Galassi wrote:
> >      > > > > Patrick, this is a great paper.  It shows the same care you 
> > apply to
> >      > > maintaining gsl.  The writing is also very clear, and I love the 
> > table of
> >      > > acronyms :-).  Do you plan to submit for publication in a numerical
> >      > > analysis journal, or submit to the arXiv?
> >      > > > >
> >      > > > > The only previous quasi-report had been the ongoing design 
> > document
> >      > > that I kept going with James and Brian in the early years, but it 
> > is a
> >      > > working design doc, not anything of the scope you have shown here.
> >      > > > >
> >      > > > > Tiny suggestions: alignment of equation 36 on page 5: "l >= 1" 
> > could
> >      > > be moved quite a bit to the left.  Maybe an extra & to make it 
> > match the
> >      > > start of the l >= 1, m > 0.
> >      > > > >
> >      > > > > You might also want to also cite the reference manual (as we 
> > ask
> >      > > people to do when they use gsl :-) ).  A recent bibtex skeleton on 
> > that is
> >      > > the 2019 Network Theory edition.
> >      > > > >
> >      > > > > @book{gslteam2019gnuscientificlibrary,
> >      > > > >    title={GNU Scientific Library Reference Manual},
> >      > > > >    author={Galassi, Mark and Davies, Jim and Theiler, James 
> > and Gough,
> >      > > Brian and Jungman, Gerard and Alken, Patrick and Booth, Michael 
> > and Rossi,
> >      > > Fabrice and Ulerich, Rhys},
> >      > > > >    year={2019},
> >      > > > >    isbn={9780954612078},
> >      > > > >    publisher={Network Theory Limited}
> >      > > > > }
> >      > > >
> >      > >
> >      > > --
> >      > >
> >      > > mike marchywka
> >      > > 306 charles cox
> >      > > canton GA 30115
> >      > > USA, Earth
> >      > > [mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com
> >      > > 404-788-1216
> >      > > ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X
> >      > >
> >      > >
> >      --
> >      mike marchywka
> >      306 charles cox
> >      canton GA 30115
> >      USA, Earth
> >      [mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com
> >      404-788-1216
> >      ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X
> 
> -- 
> 
> mike marchywka
> 306 charles cox
> canton GA 30115
> USA, Earth 
> marchywka@hotmail.com
> 404-788-1216
> ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X
> 

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canton GA 30115
USA, Earth 
marchywka@hotmail.com
404-788-1216
ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X