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Re: Enterprise Guix Hosting?
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Ludovic Courtès |
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Re: Enterprise Guix Hosting? |
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Mon, 05 Sep 2022 21:42:03 +0200 |
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Hi Phil,
Phil <phil@beadling.co.uk> skribis:
> Comments inline. I'm also aiming to be at the Guix 10 Year thing in
> Paris - sadly only for the Friday, so happy to discuss this informally
> there too!
Looking forward to chatting there!
[...]
> Whilst I like Guix's own documentation, some developers did feedback to
> me that it was to complex for people who just wanted to get-on and use
> Guix, rather than setup, understand and maintain Guix. So this is the
> area I ended-up documenting - "Guix Up-and-running for Python
> Developers". One day I'd like to publish it properly, but it's very much
> a WIP at the moment!
Publishing such a document (either standalone or as part of the
cookbook) would be great; it’d certainly be a gentle way to get started
for many developers out there.
> One advantage I did have is that I rewrote the CI/CD system
> to work around Guix, and the old system was showing it's age, so people
> were happy to trade Python venvs, for a better build and deployment
> experience.
Yes, that too is a use case that we should document better (some years
ago I used Guix at work for CI, testing a piece of C++ code under a
variety of configurations—tedious to do without Guix.)
> We now have 5 developers working at least part of the time writing
> Guix packages, or tweaking small bits of the Guix core code (I keep
> meaning to make more of an effort to get our efforts back into Guix
> proper!). As more developers slowly try-out more advanced stuff in Guix
> this number is growing, and most developers that invest the time end up
> liking Guix - so I think there's plenty of hope to grow it further!
Neat!
[...]
> 3 things which lowers the barrier to entry in my experience commercially
> would be:
>
> - Push button WSL support (I know this has some momentum eg
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-patches/2022-08/msg00945.html).
> At the moment I tend to use a custom image I made which is just WSL on
> top of Ubuntu. I have made it work with busybox, but it's not yet
> robust enough to wheel out over the enterprise like this.
> - Perhaps a set of videos aimed directly at converting a vanilla Python
> environment into one running in Guix. Try to entice the communities
> off their current tooling by making it as easy as possible to switch.
> I even went as far as writing a requirements file to guix package
> converter at work to help with this.
> - Excellent Javascript support would help. I'm aware of some of the
> difficulties this presents Guix, and am not a fan of npm, etc - but
> it's so often used by developers I think not having support for it is
> always going to be tricky to sell to a wider audience.
This is sorted in order of increasing difficulty (maybe exponentially
increasing, even :-)) but yes, these sound like good action items.
Thanks for your feedback!
Ludo’.
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