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Re: cvsweb

From: Schwenk, Jeanie
Subject: Re: cvsweb
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:03:24 -0700

To answer all the questions:  

If it was running just fine, I wouldn't have posted.  

If I knew why the INSTALL and README did not help, I could possibly have
formed a half-way intelligent question.  

If I had more than a one day of experience with web servers or cgi scripts I
might have a clue.  The sysadmin doesn't know how to run a cgi script
either.  I know, I know, don't get me started.

It is quite possible I don't understand the basics.  Usability issue?  Quite

I was expecting something to show up in the browser.  

The server is not smoking but there is smoke coming from my cube due to a
high level of frustration and lack of resources.

a)  Is not an option. I'm not his boss.  And that's probably best ... for
b)  I already did after I read everything myself and verified everything
looked correct.  
c)  It may be making some assumptions of knowledge that I do not happen to

Using the browser I can get to the top of that file system ... It says "HP
Apache-based Web Server" at the top of the page.  To start the script, in
the location bar of the browser I typed every permutation I could think of
from http://pilot/cvsweb.cgi to the absolute complete path with port number

I get two types errors: 404 and forbidden.

Not Found

The requested URL /opt/apache/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi was not found on this

Apache/1.3.14 Server at pilot Port 80


You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi on this server. 
Apache/1.3.14 Server at pilot Port 80

Ok great, now what?  Everything appears to be installed correctly and I AM
missing something because I don't know what to look for or where to look.
Either the browser can't see it or isn't allowed to run the script or I'm
doing it all wrong.  Perhaps it's how apache is set up but the sysadmin does
not know how to do anything to apache and neither do I.   Do I have to write
an html page and put it in htdocs to get it to run?  How does one reference
a cgi script from within html?  How can I find more details about what's
wrong?   Argh, my job is automating semiconductor tools and writing user
interfaces ... I'm completely out of my element.   This whole thing started
because I wanted to use CVS.  What was I thinking?  Why do we need a way to
control revisions anyway?  Because I am exasperated by the engineers I work
with (all men) stepping on files!  Needing cvsweb or viewcvs started because
I work with two engineers who don't want to check out files but want to surf
and vi files in the repository.  And I said NO.  


> From: "Daniel Beckham" <address@hidden>
> To: "Cvs \(E-mail\)" <address@hidden>
> Subject: Re: cvsweb
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:41:22 -0500

> If all the things you told me are true, then cvsweb is running just fine,
> you never said there was a problem.  Although, I would be quick to say,
> ViewCVS is a better product in my opinion.  You can find details at:
>  It requires Python 1.5, BTW.

> But seriously... because your question is "devoid of details" no one can
> help you.  Honestly, I don't even see what the problem is.  Why didn't the
> INSTALL and README help?  Did they not have installation instructions?  Is
> it possible that you might not understand the basics of how web servers
> cgi scripts interact?  What were you expecting to happen?  Is smoke coming
> from your server?

> Also, if your system administrator is clueless, then I recommend one of
> following:
>   a. Fire him.. he's obviously too ignorant to be running complicated
>   b. Ask him again; he's probably lying and doesn't want to take the time
> read over the installation and readme files for you. (BOFH)
>   c. It's possible that cvsweb doesn't have proper instructions to help
>  someone get started. (seriously unlikely, being that it's pretty

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