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Re: [Fwd: Meta-issue: recent spam surge]

From: Greg A. Woods
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Meta-issue: recent spam surge]
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:07:57 -0400 (EDT)

[ On Friday, October 26, 2001 at 20:45:43 (-0400), Derrick Norris wrote: ]
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Meta-issue: recent spam surge]
> You did not read my post carefully enough.  Of course I had a need; if I did 
> not experience a problem I wouldn't have activated sendmail.

No, I did read and understand your post perfectly.  I did not say
anthing about your "needs" as you define them.

> By the way, please don't tell me that I have no "right" to use my outbound 
> bandwidth as I see fit, so long as my actions do not violate the rights of 
> others.  Sounds a lot like your posts telling people they <loose translation> 
> have no "right" to use CVS in that fashion </loose translation>.

In fact I am not _telling_ you that you don't have any such right, but I
am telling you that your ISP does control your rights in that regard and
no amount of whimsical desire to use the the network as _you_ see fit
will have any bearing on what you are actually allowed to do.  You see
it's not your network, but theirs.

Indeed if your ISP lists the range of their IP#s that you might use when
you connect to their network in the MAPS DUL or its equivalents then
they are explicitly telling the entire world that you do not have a
guaranteed right to make direct outbound SMTP connections.  Like it or
lump it but you will not be able to make any successful SMTP connection
to any mail server using the MAPS DUL or its equivalents (eg. my mail

> I will also not entertain notions to switch ISPs.

That is your right to decide, but don't complain to me if your decision
costs you future pain!  ;-)

> Yes they can, as can those users who have dedicated fat pipes.  The idea is 
> to block a type of message, not a type of user, unless _all_ of that type of 
> user sends _only_ the undesired messages.

No, the idea is to technically enforce policies.  Your ISP has the right
to force your SMTP connections to go through their authorised SMTP
servers so that they can monitor your use of SMTP to ensure that it
falls within their acceptable use policy -- i.e. the policy to which
your right to use their network is bound.

> No you shouldn't, but there is a wide gap between using services which can 
> perform DoS to actually perform DoS, and using those services (or others) to 
> send legitimate messages.  And yes, I should be permitted to use any service 
> my OS provides given that it does no harm to others.

You seem to have a lot left to learn about the way things work in the
real world.....

                                                        Greg A. Woods

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