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Re: renaming under CVS

From: Noel Yap
Subject: Re: renaming under CVS
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:46:05 -0800 (PST)

--- "Greg A. Woods" <address@hidden> wrote:
> You haven't been at all successful at avoiding
> double-posting either.

Sorry, I've been trying the best I can.  I don't know
why, but it only happens when responding to your
emails.  Since address@hidden doesn't appear anywhere
in the CC, I can only guess that it's 'cos your
replacing it with address@hidden

> Huh?  Sure it does -- though of course you need to
> modify the algorithm
> above to get rid of the "to the end" part -- but
> then humans are usually
> pretty good at figuring out such implications on
> their own.

Humans are also very good at overlooking things
<sarcasm> but, oh yeah, that's not CVS's

> > 2. This is hardly transparent to the user.
> It's bloody well not supposed to be "transparent"! 
> You _WANT_ them to
> see the rename and understand its implications!

Such things should be handled via developer
communication, not the tool.  Isn't that /your/ motto?
I mean, gimme a break, you expect a developer to
understand the /implications/ of a rename based on a
comment that says, "renamed foo to bar"?

> The comments are correct because you've required
> that your developers
> use a front-end or wrapper.  Right!?!?!?!

And how is this enforced?  Oh, right, by policing and
punishing those that make mistakes.

> Humans are incredibly good at parsing written words.
>  However even
> computers can discern such patterns with ease.

This isn't true and, by your own admission from an
off-topic, tangential thread, you're not too
knowledgable about human psychology which is what
governs humans parsing written words.  I've seen
examples that support this fact.

> > > Because they're too simple and too lame to ever
> > > worry about remembering!  
> > 
> > And it's much simpler to argue continuously about
> it?
> it's no harder, and a whole lot more fun!

It sounds to me like you're more aggravated than
having fun.

> CVS simply cannot ever support the kind of renames
> some very few of you
> continually whinning complainers seem to wish to
> have without
> introducing fundamentally backwards incompatible
> changes to the
> repository format.

I'm starting to think about a scheme where CVS would
go through a filename mapping if the usual archive
file isn't found (I think this is how Meta-CVS works).
 The mapped archive file would only exist if there's
been a rename or move.  I don't think such a scheme
would _fundamentally_ break backwards compatibility.

> So, either start your own new project that has no
> ties to past
> repositories, or quit your bloody whining!

I don't think any of my posts have been whining,
bitching, moaning, complaining, or any of the sort.


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