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Re: Changing from L4 to something else...
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Jonathan S. Shapiro |
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Re: Changing from L4 to something else... |
Date: |
Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:43:05 -0500 |
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 19:53 +0000, Neal H. Walfield wrote:
> At Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:58:54 +0100,
> Bas Wijnen wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 29, 2005 at 04:10:19AM +0200, Yoshinori K. Okuji wrote:
> > > On Friday 28 October 2005 07:10 pm, Jonathan Shapiro wrote:
> > > > It is a curious thing that people simultaneously want safety from the
> > > > admin
> > > > and help from them. Sometimes you have to pick one or the other.
> > >
> > > You are right. Fortunately or unfortunately, this is the truth. So I
> > > repeatedly claim that balancing is the key point in making decisions.
> >
> > Still, telling people "I am the owner of this computer, you can use it, and
> > I
> > am not technically able to spy on you or change your things, except if you
> > give me your password" should be understandable for "normal" people. When
> > they know this, they will also know that asking the the owner to change
> > their
> > data without remembering their password will result in a negative response.
> > They may not like that, but I think they consider it a good idea to be
> > protected from the sysadmin. And if they don't, nothing stops them from
> > installing a back door for him. That is, this can be realised on a per-user
> > basis. That sounds like a good idea to me. :-)
>
> I don't buy this argument. It seems pretty easy to me to implement
> su.
Not if the system is designed well.
shap
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., (continued)
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Jonathan Shapiro, 2005/10/28
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Yoshinori K. Okuji, 2005/10/28
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Bas Wijnen, 2005/10/30
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Jonathan S. Shapiro, 2005/10/30
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Neal H. Walfield, 2005/10/30
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Bas Wijnen, 2005/10/30
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Neal H. Walfield, 2005/10/30
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Jonathan S. Shapiro, 2005/10/30
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Bas Wijnen, 2005/10/31
- Re: Changing from L4 to something else...,
Jonathan S. Shapiro <=
Re: Changing from L4 to something else..., Emmanuel Colbus, 2005/10/29
RE: Changing from L4 to something else..., Christopher Nelson, 2005/10/31