Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

[Marinus Savoritias]

On 9/23/20 12:01 AM, Jean Louis wrote:
> * Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net> [2020-09-23 00:41]:
> > Marinus didn't mean that the software harms the user. Marinus meant how
> > a software licensed under a weak libre license can be used against the
> > community/people.
>
> Thank you.
>
> If a permissive license is used to create proprietary software, then
> it is just to teach users about free software and freedom.

So you just want to punish users with permissive licenses? Isn't it 
better to have a copyleft from the beginning?

That is what we are trying to discuss here. How we can have more copyleft.

> > An example is Microsoft which uses a lot of MIT-licensed software to
> > produce its own software and publishes them proprietorially. It's
> > needless to mention an specific incident as there's too many.
>
> Yes, that is then not any more free software, it becomes proprietary.
>
> > A software libre licensed under a weak license (such as MIT) can be used
> > to produce a proprietary software (or even platform) and in result, harm
> > users.
>
> That is alright, as that software is still free, so it can be used in
> GNU and other free systems as free version of such software.
>
> Instead of saying that permissive licenses harm users, it is better to
> say that proprietary software harms users.

Permissive License harms users and communities as Ali said. And 
especially the contributors to the project.

If a company can take a software that I wrote/contributed and close 
source it then that is not a good license.

We need more copyleft so we can protect users and contributors from 
being take advantage of.

Marinus Savoritias
> Jean