Re: Add Code of Conduct

[Janek Warchoł]

James,

first, I am sorry that you are so disturbed. I realize that this is
partially my fault, so I apologize.

sob., 8 lut 2020 o 09:23 James Lowe <address@hidden> napisał(a):

> On 07/02/2020 09:50, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> > Thanks for your careful observations.
> >
> > First, the CoC was actually coined by Mike, and I saw it as a proposal to
> > bring LilyPond into the next decade.
>
> What is that even supposed to mean? Again empty, ]words that sound
> 'nice' but mean nothing.
>
> > A CoC is a pretty normal concept these
> > days.
>
> Here we go ... ".. everyone else does it... so we should .. " still with
> no point to any of it that I can see.
>
> > If having a CoC is required to be taken seriously by developers at
> > large, we should consider it.
>
> And for those of us who don't take them seriously and see them as an
> attempt at behavioral control by certain people for certain people.
>
> > I concede that CoCs haven't yet reached this
> > level of ubiquity, though.
>
> Probably for good reason.
>
> > For full disclosure, David has ticked me off in the past, and
> reacquainting
> > myself with the community means that I have to reacquaint myself with
> > David's way of communicating.
>
> Can we just stop bashing David?
>
> > One of the recent emails (about the
> > development process), contained a passage that felt like a blow in my
> > stomach and upset me to the point of considering to leave again. (When I
> > say this, I am not asking for adulation). If that happens to me, imagine
> > what happens when a new contributor is on the receiving end of that. So I
> > am happy to see that David is trying new ways to address this problem.
>
> All without having at CoC.
>
> > I have no personal stake in being a CoC committee member, and was
> actually
> > volunteered into it by Janek. I am happy to not be part of such a
> committee
> > (Elaine, would you be interested?), because my time is limited, and is
> > probably best spent in mentoring coders and explaining the code base. For
> > the record, I think Werner is an excellent candidate.
>
> If we're doing a 'for the record', then just let me state here if/when
> we have a CoC, I will be leaving the LP project , so I guess you better
> start getting all your automation ducks in a row for patch testing and
> shepherding etc, or someone else will need to step in do what I
> currently do.
>
> What a shame.
>

I initially wanted to write "If I were Han-Wen...", but then realized it's
a bad idea. I'll let Han-Wen speak for himself; however, please let me
express my emotions.

I am very saddened by this message. I see a member of the community whose
frustration didn't meet with understanding, but rather with something that
looks like mocking or sarcasm.

As I see it, Han-Wen expressed his emotions. He didn't do it in an
aggressive way; I wouldn't say that he bashed David, either. (David, please
correct me if you felt bashed by Han-Wen's message.) Han-Wen's point was to
empathize with new contributors, and he actually praised David for the
changes he's making.

Han-Wen, I am very sorry that what you wrote didn't meet with empathy or at
least understanding. I imagine you may be very frustrated.

Janek