RE: Moving breathe sign

[Palmer, Ralph]

Mats -

My thanks and my apologies to you! I thought I had tried all
permutations, including the example snippet without the \once.

I used the \once \override before the note because I thought (just as
you surmised) that \once \override covered the next musical moment, and
that (since \breathe came directly after the note) the breathe sign was
attached to the note. I do not know which objects are attached and which
are not, so I'll try both in the future.

Thanks again,

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:address@hidden 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:51 AM
To: Palmer, Ralph
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: Re: Moving breathe sign

I always first try a property setting without the \once keyword to see
that it works.
If you do that in your example below, you will notice that your property
setting indeed works as it should. The only problem is that a setting
done with \once ...
only applies to the next object, so if you insert it before the note
before the breating sign, it only applies to the note, where it of
course doesn't have any effect.
Just move your \once \override to be directly before the \breathe and it
should work well.
I understand perfectly well why you placed your \once \override where
you did, since that's the correct solution when you want to move an
articulation, a text script, a slur or a dynamic indication, for
example. The reason is that all these are connected to a specific note
and happen "simultaneously" with the note, whereas the breathe sign is
handled as a separate object, just like clefs or time signatures or ...,
that happen "between" the notes.
Tricky indeed!

   /Mats

Palmer, Ralph wrote:
> Greetings -
>
> Just when I think I get the hang of it, bam. 
>
> I'm running LilyPond 2.10.16 under Windows XP Pro SP2.
>
> Thanks to Mats Bengtsson and Bertalan Fodor for their help with two 
> notehead sizes in one chord.
>
> Now, in the same measure, actually, I'm trying to move a breathe sign,

> and having no luck. Here's a snippet:
>
> ++++++++++ Begin Snippet +++++++++
>
> \version "2.10.16"
>
> \paper {
>       ragged-right = ##t
>       }
>
> Breathe = {
>       \key d \minor
>       \clef alto
>       \time 2/2
>
>
>       c'4 c' c' c' |
>       \once \override BreathingSign #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 . 5.0)
>       b8[\breathe b]  < c' c >( d e fis gis e) |
>
>       }
>       
> \score {
>       \Breathe
>       }
>
> +++++++++++ End Snippet ++++++++
>
> I've tried BreathingSign, Score.BreathingSign, Voice.BreathingSign, 
> and Staff.BreathingSign with #'extra-offset and #'padding in each 
> possible combination, and none of them makes any visible effect. I've 
> also tried using \override without \once, to no effect. I've also 
> tried using \tweak with#'extra-offset and with #'padding immediately 
> before \breathe, also with no effect.
>
> Any suggestions for what to try next?
>
> I'm grateful to everyone from the LilyPond community for all their 
> help and support and for the excellent product. I used to really like 
> .abc, and recently looked at some of my output, and realized that, 
> although .abc's simplicity is a big pro, LilyPond's output and 
> flexibility are wonderful. Thanks again.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Ralph Palmer
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> Keene State College
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