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From: | David Nalesnik |
Subject: | Re: many users don't know about \shape |
Date: | Sat, 11 May 2013 09:37:15 -0500 |
Janek Warchoł <address@hidden> writes:Not if there is a change in line/page breaking.
> 2013/5/10 David Kastrup <address@hidden>:
>> Janek Warchoł <address@hidden> writes:
>>> I'm wondering whether we should advertise \shape more. It's
>>> tremendously helpful, and yet despite it had been added ~1 year ago
>>> (IIRC) many users don't know about it.
>>
>> I'm somewhat dubious about "tremendously helpful" as it defeats
>> automated typesetting.
>
> I'm 100% for automated typesetting: it's my dream and the very reason
> why i'm using LilyPond.
> However, my experience (particularly with Fried project) shows that
> with regard to slurs and ties, LilyPond is very far from automated
> typesetting. If you want publication quality, you _have_ to tweak the
> output quite heavily - would you rather do this via setting
> control-points directly? Actually, \shape is quite close to the
> spirit of automated engraving, because if the layout changes slightly,
> \shape modifications usually "adapt" and still produce good results.
Or the post processing would have been done using inkscape or some
> Even with \shape, correcting ties and slurs is still the most
> time-consuming task in preparing the Fried material for publication.
> Quite frankly, if we didn't have \shape, i'd say that LilyPond was
> incapable of handling Fried project :(
>
>> And "had been added ~1 year ago" is a short time.
>
> Well, to look from a different perspective: if there were any pieces i
> had engraved without using \shape (since it was added to LilyPond),
> they most probably didn't contain any slurs at all.
similar tool...
At any rate, \shape is no substitute to fixing
LilyPond's typesetting of slurs.
It's a stop-gap measure tied into a
particular version of LilyPond and loosely tied into a particular
version of a score. Which may sometimes cause less work than fixups
firmly tied into a particular printing of the score (which Inkscape
touchup work is). But it is still something you can't depend on.
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