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Re: Beam positions and time signature spacing


From: Urs Liska
Subject: Re: Beam positions and time signature spacing
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:45:10 +0100
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Am 11.11.2013 15:34, schrieb Phil Holmes:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kieren MacMillan" <address@hidden>
To: "Urs Liska" <address@hidden>
Cc: "Lilypond-User Mailing List" <address@hidden>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Beam positions and time signature spacing


In 19th century song notation (e.g. look at all old Peters editions of Schubert/Schumann etc. songs) slurs were used to indicate melismas - but they were usually used _in combination_ with beams.

It’s not just "19th century notation": it persisted as the standard in operas and musicals written/engraved well into the second half of the 20th Century. And — unimaginably — there are still people in our 21st Century worlds who still swear [strongly] by it, and consciously use it in their own writing/engraving.

I have come to _very much_ disagree to this _very common_ practice. Apart from being redundant this is "evil" because I have to tell virtually any singer (of any level) that these slurs do _not_ have any articulatory meaning. It's very hard to convince them on the intellectual level and even harder making them _really_ ignore them.

Worse than “redundant”, it’s counterproductive and an impediment to sightsinging and proper phrasing.
“Evil” does really come closest to describing it.

Of the many nuances of music engraving, this is the only one for which I have a really tall soapbox. =)

Cheers,
Kieren.

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Not sure which practice you hate: slurs or beams? For myself, a singer who sings for 10s of hours a week, I like slurs to indicate melisma and think beaming for the same purpose is irritating in the extreme.

It's the slurs.
I have over and over made the experience that slura indicating melismas make singers read them as phrasings. As said I have worked with lots of singers, from students who want to become school teachers up to international level opera/concert singers. And I've hardly met anyone having a clear picture of this notational situation. They just _see_ it and _feel_ it. And in this case their feeling is wrong.

So I stand to it that slurs as melismas 'actively' give a false impression and therefore make it harder (if not impossible) to correctly read the score. It's on a very subtle level so one hardly notices the difference. But that doesn't make it less problematic.

Urs


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Phil Holmes

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