Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 135, Issue 60

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Today's Topics:

1. Re:Ottava (Brian Barker)
2. Re:Horizontalized scores (David Kastrup)
3. Re:Ottava (Noeck)
4. Re:Ottava (Noeck)
5. Lilypond for blind musicians (Claudio Garanzini)
6. Re:frescobaldi macports broken after update (Davide Liessi)
7. Re:Lilypond for blind musicians (Pierre Perol-Schneider)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:57:25 +0000
From: Brian Barker <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Ottava
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At 20:19 12/02/2014 +0100, Noeck "Joram" Marburg wrote:
>what is the recommended/default formatting for ottava marks/brackets (8va)?
>In bold or not bold? And with dashed lines or dotted or others?
>What does E. Gould say ...

Page 28:
>The octave sign is written in italic, the numeral '8' is 1 1/2
>stave-paces high. The optional 'va' is placed flush with the top of
>_ottava sopra_ (_8^va_), flush with the base of _ottava bassa_ (_8va_).
>
>Indicate the extent of the transposition with a line of dashes
>(hereafter called a dotted line). The line extends from the top
>edge of the _8_ for _8 sopra_ and the base of the _8_ for _8 bassa_,
>and runs parallel to the stave.

And those 8s look bold to me.

Brian Barker

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:07:18 +0100
From: David Kastrup <address@hidden>
To: Chris Crossen <address@hidden>
Cc: "address@hidden" <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Horizontalized scores
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Chris Crossen <address@hidden> writes:

> I am also generating single, continuous line scores with Lilypond and
> am wondering what you use to extract your images from PDF.

What's wrong with lilypond --png here?

--
David Kastrup

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:25:46 +0100
From: Noeck <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: Ottava
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Hi,

thanks for looking this up! This is what I am most used to, too.

I would like to see it in LilyPond. Could that be added to the issues as
a wish or enhancement (it is even a bit ugly).

Cheers,
Joram

>> What does E. Gould say ...
>
> Page 28:
>> The octave sign is written in italic, the numeral '8' is 1 1/2
>> stave-paces high. The optional 'va' is placed flush with the top of
>> _ottava sopra_ (_8^va_), flush with the base of _ottava bassa_ (_8va_).
>>
>> Indicate the extent of the transposition with a line of dashes
>> (hereafter called a dotted line). The line extends from the top edge
>> of the _8_ for _8 sopra_ and the base of the _8_ for _8 bassa_, and
>> runs parallel to the stave.
>
> And those 8s look bold to me.
>
> Brian Barker

Here is my incomplete suggestion with some comments:

Text positioning:
- \super does not look good, therefore \raise
- the raise value of 0.7 depends on the font, is there a way to align
the top boundaries of the 8 and the va?
- optically the vertical position of va looks different for 8 and 15
- for the vb, base line alignment is no problem
- should we add text for a third octave to LP? ?3 (i.e. 22va and 22vb)
or a general text calculated from the octavation:
|octavation|*7 + 1 and va if octavation > 0, vb if octavation < 0

Lines
- The lines are unchanged but they should go to the top line or base
line respectively.

\version "2.18.0"

ottavaa = {
\ottava 1
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat {"8" \tiny \raise #0.7
"va" }
}

ottavab = {
\ottava -1
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat{ "8" \tiny "vb" }
}

ottavac = {
\ottava 2
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat{ "15" \tiny \raise #0.7
"ma" }
}

ottavad = {
\ottava -2
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat{ "15" \tiny "mb" }
}

<<
\new Staff \relative c''' {
\ottava #1 a a
\ottava #-1 a,, a
\ottava #2 a''' a
\ottava #-2 a,,,, a
}
\new Staff \relative c''' {
\ottavaa a a
\ottavab a,, a
\ottavac a''' a
\ottavad a,,,, a
}
>>

another (different) feature request
- currently the user has to override this text *after* the \ottava
command. This prevents from having a general tweak in a stylesheet.
Could the user override some property and provide one of those:
* one markup for all (if he uses only \ottava #1)
* scheme list of markups from -3 to 3 (like [22,15,8,loco,8,15,22])
* a scheme function that returns the markup corresponding to the
octavation

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:27:44 +0100
From: Noeck <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: Ottava
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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Sorry, I wanted to have this code in:

Hi,

thanks for looking this up! This is what I am most used to, too.

I would like to see it in LilyPond. Could that be added to the issues as
a wish or enhancement (it is even a bit ugly).

Cheers,
Joram

>> What does E. Gould say ...
>
> Page 28:
>> The octave sign is written in italic, the numeral '8' is 1 1/2
>> stave-paces high. The optional 'va' is placed flush with the top of
>> _ottava sopra_ (_8^va_), flush with the base of _ottava bassa_ (_8va_).
>>
>> Indicate the extent of the transposition with a line of dashes
>> (hereafter called a dotted line). The line extends from the top edge
>> of the _8_ for _8 sopra_ and the base of the _8_ for _8 bassa_, and
>> runs parallel to the stave.
>
> And those 8s look bold to me.
>
> Brian Barker

Here is my incomplete suggestion with some comments:

Text positioning:
- \super does not look good, therefore \raise
- the raise value of 0.7 depends on the font, is there a way to align
the top boundaries of the 8 and the va?
- optically the vertical position of va looks different for 8 and 15
- for the vb, base line alignment is no problem
- should we add text for a third octave to LP? ?3 (i.e. 22va and 22vb)
or a general text calculated from the octavation:
|octavation|*7 + 1 and va if octavation > 0, vb if octavation < 0

Lines
- The lines are unchanged but they should go to the top line or base
line respectively.

\version "2.18.0"

ottavaa = {
\ottava 1
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat {"8" \tiny \raise #0.7
"va" }
}

ottavab = {
\ottava -1
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat{ "8" \tiny "vb" }
}

ottavac = {
\ottava 2
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat{ "15" \tiny \raise #0.7
"ma" }
}

ottavad = {
\ottava -2
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat{ "15" \tiny "mb" }
}

ottavae = {
\ottava 3
\set Staff.ottavation = \markup \bold \concat{ "22" \tiny \raise #0.7
"ma" }
}

<<
\new Staff \relative c''' {
\ottava #1 a a
\ottava #-1 a,, a
\ottava #2 a''' a
\ottava #-2 a,,,, a
\ottava #3 a''''' a
}
\new Staff \relative c''' {
\ottavaa a a
\ottavab a,, a
\ottavac a''' a
\ottavad a,,,, a
\ottavae a''''' a
}
>>

another (different) feature request
- currently the user has to override this text *after* the \ottava
command. This prevents from having a general tweak in a stylesheet.
Could the user override some property and provide one of those:
* one markup for all (if he uses only \ottava #1)
* scheme list of markups from -3 to 3 (like [22,15,8,loco,8,15,22])
* a scheme function that returns the markup corresponding to the
octavation

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:46:34 +0100
From: "Claudio Garanzini" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Subject: Lilypond for blind musicians
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi all!
I have some little questiosn for you guys:
Are there any blind musician or composer that?' use lilypond regularly?
Is there a software like Frescobaldi but more accessible using NVDA as my default screen reader?
I?ve tryed Frescobaldi but simply can?t use it because of it?s complete inaccessibility, at least for me.
Any suggestions?
Could you tell mee how to use midi2ly converter?
Have I to put it in my midi folder for its use?
Thanks a lot.
Bye for now.

Claudio
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:54:10 +0100
From: Davide Liessi <address@hidden>
To: "LilyPond address@hidden" <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: frescobaldi macports broken after update
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Dear all,

2014-01-24 12:20 GMT+01:00 Henning Hraban Ramm <address@hidden>:
> If Frescobaldi already runs and I doubleclick a .ly file, it opens correctly.
> But if FB is not yet running, it just starts, but doesn?t open the file.
>
> The FB icon in Finder doesn?t accept any files, just in the dock. But if the app isn?t running, dragging on the dock icon just brings FB to front.
>
> I use today?s MacPorts dev version on OSX 10.9.

As I suspected, this problem probably concerns only 10.9.
I noticed today that there has been a recent update of py2app (the
program used to create the application bundle) that corrects also this
problem.
>From the change log: "Fixed argv emulator on OSX 10.9, the way the
code detected that the application was launched through the Finder
didn't work on that OSX release."

Please try this to upgrade your installation (including py2app) and
reinstall frescobaldi(-devel):
sudo port selfupdate
sudo port upgrade outdated
sudo port uninstall active and name:frescobaldi
sudo port install frescobaldi # or frescobaldi-devel, as you prefer

Then please test Frescobaldi's behaviour and let me know:
> if you either
> - drag and drop a ly file (or any text file, for what is worth) over the icon of Frescobaldi in the Dock, or
> - right-click on a ly file and choose "Open with..." > "Frescobaldi ([version])", or
> - double-click on a ly file associated with Frescobaldi (to associate a file: right-click on the file, choose "Get Info" and choose "Frescobaldi ([version])" in the "Open with..." dropdown list),
> then Frescobaldi should start, if it is not already running, and open the file.

Best wishes.
Davide

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:20:20 +0100
From: Pierre Perol-Schneider <address@hidden>
To: Claudio Garanzini <address@hidden>
Cc: lilypond-user <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Lilypond for blind musicians
Message-ID:
<address@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

2014-02-13 13:46 GMT+01:00 Claudio Garanzini <address@hidden>:

> Hi all!
>

Hi Claudio,

> [...]
> Are there any blind musician or composer that?' use lilypond regularly?
>
[...]

Could you tell mee how to use midi2ly converter?
> Have I to put it in my midi folder for its use?
>
[...]

It's a subjet that I'm also intrested in.
Here are some discussions users previously had :
http://search.gmane.org/?query=braille&group=gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.general

See also : http://delysid.org/freedots.html

HTH,
Pierre
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