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Re: instrumentSwitch and addInstrumentDefinition use
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Kieren MacMillan |
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Re: instrumentSwitch and addInstrumentDefinition use |
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Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:55:43 -0500 |
Hi David,
> You want to write music as if it is for a single voice
A single *player*…
> You are essentially writing polyphonic material (albeit, one voice is playing
> rests at any one time.)
That’s a valid, but non-intuitive, way of looking at it… I like your
outside-the-box thinking! =)
> do you expect the MIDI regions to work for these parts?
I never use MIDI myself… but I would certainly expect (demand!) that any proper
instrument-switching mechanism in Lilypond would Do The Right Thing™ viz-a-viz
MIDI.
> you will need different MIDI channels, different midi instruments.
Note that one of the parameters of \addInstrumentDefinition is
#’midiInstrument, i.e., the built-in mechanism already handles that.
> Where does it end, by trying to pretend one staff can satisfy the needs of
> more than one instrument?
… as engravers have for hundreds of years!? ;)
> I think that it is reasonable to ask that different voices be encapsulated in
> separate variables.
As discussed in this thread, there are many ways of doing this.
Yours is yet another — and particularly clever — but it is no simpler (and in
fact more complex in many ways) than others.
> why not just model it logically from the beginning?
Now *that* I agree with 100%.
> you compose without thought for what instrument is going to be played, then
> pick and choose in after the fact.
No… I compose/arrange knowing *exactly* which instrument is going to be played,
and that two or more of them will be played by a single player. (This is a
standard technique in just about every musical genre: for example, in band and
orchestral music, flute and clarinet players always have multiple instruments
at the ready; in the music theatre pit, essentially every player except the
strings play multiple instruments; in pop and jazz, the reeds often double, and
the guitar almost always does; etc.)
> how do you choose what notes to write, if you are unsure what instrument will
> play them?
As I said, you’ve misunderstood the process: I’m *always* sure ahead of time
(i.e., at the moment of composition and/or arrangement) exactly which
instrument will play the notes.
> As a multi-instrumentalist, I've seen way too many arrangements where the
> composer has not put in enough thought into providing suitable rest to
> actually switch instruments (most recently in das trunke lied). Or, not
> indicating at the top of the part all the instruments that will be needed.
> Or, omitting clefs or key signatures when there is a change, etc.
You obviously haven’t seen any of my music. ;)
> When an instrumentalist has to switch, especially to an instrument in a
> different transposition, they will necessarily have to think about what the
> new key is.
Well, they’ll have to *note* what the new key is… “think” might be stretching
it.
> at the minimum, the composer should be required to also think for a few
> seconds and supply the current key signature, as well.
The *engraver* (not *composer*) should be required to do that… which is why
Lilypond should do it automagically.
> a design that doesn't require any considerations leads to people never making
> those considerations.
That’s a logical fallacy.
> As such, I suggest an approach by modeling separate, well-defined variables
> for each instrument, then use partcombine for the part.
I think it’s definitely worth considering, despite the [much] greater effort on
the part of the engraver. Note that for the *composer* and/or *arranger*, there
is no extra effort in (between) any of these methods: the music is always (at
least for proper discussion's sake) already created and ready for engraving.
> I realize this does not fit your desired workflow, because you would have to:
> Create separate variables for each distinct instrument
This is a little extra effort, yes… Though I have to do this from time to time
anyway.
> Fill up the parts with spacer rests besides the sections each instrument
> is being played
Actually, \pushToTag would solve that.
> Supply instrument change marks and key signatures at the point of
> switching
That’s the part that should be done automagically by Lilypond.
> Besides these workflow issues, what things are not suitable with this
> approach using partcombine and/or staff groups to model a multi-instrument
> part?
Staff groups wouldn’t work: if there is a very fast switch, it would force a
certain format (i.e., where the breaks lie) onto the score. This would
unnecessarily mix content with presentation, which we should avoid (at least,
we should avoid the design *forcing* the user to mix C&P).
Partcombine, on the other hand, is a very interesting option. I’ve been wanting
to sponsor a Grand Unified Partcombine Project, Yay! (GUPPY) to fix the
[myriad] problems with the current implementation — maybe this is the time to
kill two birds with one stone! Because your suggestion doesn’t [fully] use
\partcombine as originally intended/designed/coded (i.e., there will never be
simultaneous notes), I’m not sure if any of its current idiosyncrasies will
become stumbling blocks, or whether it’s ready to go as is; it will require
investigation and testing.
In any case, thank you so much for a very eye-opening suggestion!
I look forward to playing around with your idea(s) and reporting back.
Best,
Kieren.
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