Re: Hungarian Gregorian

[Trevor Daniels]



Hi

 

Bad news, I'm afraid.  There is no simple way to change the shape of the note heads used in Gregorian ligatures (the things coded as \[ ... \]).  These ligatures are built up from a wide variety of glyphs in Vaticana_ligature_engraver.cc.  The whole ligature is then treated as a single graphical object so the spacing of its components is not affected by changes in layout.  The same applies to Mensural notation.

 

The work done by Pierre is an excellent start, but as he acknowledged it's not easy to use.  If this could be coupled with a suitable input syntax which could be interpreted by a music function to invoke the new grobs he defined it would be much more usable.  As a final stage that could be converted into a new engraver.  But that is quite a lot of work.

 

Sorry this is not much help.

 

Trevor

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Rita Composer

To: Pierre Perol-Schneider

Cc: address@hidden ; address@hidden

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: Hungarian Gregorian

Hi,

Wow, that looks perfect :-)

My little problem, is that it seems very complicated to me to creat/ edit...

I was wandering, that could you override  melisma setting?

Because I have problem with the  shape of the notes.

(I don't know the name of this \[ g a h c \] )

I could solve the 5th line, we can override stem.

I hope it's possible, and I don't have to deal with so complicated  adjusting.

Here is my example again. Where it would be great to change the shape of the  classical gregorian notes.

Thanks

Sister Judit

chantEgy = \relative c' {

\override NoteHead.style = #'default

\[ g a h c \]

c h a g \divisioMinima

\[ h4 \virga a g \] d' c h a g \divisioMinima

\finalis

}

verba = \lyricmode {

Lo -- _ _ _ rem ip -- sum do -- lor _ _ sit a -- men a -- men

}

\markup { 3 }

\score {

\new VaticanaStaff <<

\override VaticanaStaff.StaffSymbol #'line-count = #5

\new VaticanaVoice = "melody" \chantEgy

% \new VaticanaVoice = "melody" \chantKettő

\new Lyrics = "one" \lyricsto melody \verba

>>

\layout {

\context {

\VaticanaStaff

\override StaffSymbol.color = #black

\override LedgerLineSpanner.color = #black

}

}

}

2015-01-28 17:36 GMT+01:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <address@hidden>:

<please respond to the list>

Hi Sister Judith,

Yes, you're right - not so much time though, interesting time I should say!

I've added a draft to the LSR : http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=973

Stems and ornaments have been changed into other characters.

Glad you loke it.

Cheers,
Pierre

2015-01-28 17:26 GMT+01:00 Rita Composer <address@hidden>:

Wow, thank you so much!!!

The layout/ view is almost perfect :-)

The curved "stems" are a bit too far from the notes.

Am I right that you used signs instead of notes?

You must have been spending quite much time to do. (for me it seems a bit complicated at the moment...I try to get used to it)

Thank you very much!

Sister Judit

2015-01-28 15:48 GMT+01:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider <address@hidden>:

Hi,

First of all, I have to admit that I know almost nothing about those type of chants.

Anyway...

AFAIK, there is no predefined context or commands that will do - exactly - such scores.
I've done something similar on the german forum : http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=1801.msg9962#msg9962

The main idea was to put one voice per grouped note.

In your particular case it does not seem to be a good idea; So please find attached a compilable file :

1. I've tried to stick as much as possible to your original pdf.

2. the idea was to change the note heads stencil with grouped notes - with or without stems, spaces and/or ornaments.

3. not easy...

Hope you'll find better and/or easier solution.

Cheers,

Pierre

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