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Re: PDF author metadata
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J Martin Rushton |
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Re: PDF author metadata |
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Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:01:52 +0100 |
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On 10/07/16 19:48, David Kastrup wrote:
> J Martin Rushton <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> On 10/07/16 17:47, David Wright wrote: <snip>
>>
>>>
>>> While one might argue that a lot of religious translations
>>> might have been written with a view to intonement, or
>>> recitation at least, and therefore with particular attention
>>> paid to the rhythm of the words, I don't think that Jefferson
>>> wrote letters to Adams that way.
>>>
>>> Cheers, David.
>>>
>>
>> That rather depends upon the translation of the Bible used. The
>> KJV was given a polish from Genesis to Revelation to make it
>> read beautifully (one of my ancestors was involved). Some later
>> versions were written to be more in keeping with common speech
>> and to be used for private study. Compare John Iv1 in the KJV:
>>
>> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
>> Word was God.
>>
>> with The Basic English Bible:
>>
>> From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with
>> God and was God.
>
> Sorry, but I find the former a better translation of
>
> ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ
> λόγος.
>
> even when it reverses the order of God and Word in the last part (I
> can see the rationale for the reversal because the categoric use of
> "God" is hard to bring across in English with unchanged word order
> but don't consider it really helpful).
>
Don't apologise, we are in agreement. I was pointing out that KJV
was, as you said, "written with a view to intonement, or recitation
... with particular attention paid to the rhythm of the words" whereas
the latter clearly was not! I would not like to try and set such
words to music whereas the former can.
Personally I find the KJV as clear as any modern translation and far
more beautiful. As to accuracy I leave that to people like yourself
who can read Greek or Hebrew. (Do I understand correctly that the last
phrase would be "and God was the Word"?)
PS My spell checker doesn't like "intonement" and suggests
"incontinent" as an alternative. :-)
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- Re: PDF author metadata, (continued)
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