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Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics)
From: |
Thomas Morley |
Subject: |
Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics) |
Date: |
Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:55:06 +0200 |
2017-09-12 9:25 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup <address@hidden>:
> Thomas Morley <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> 2017-09-10 14:43 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup <address@hidden>:
>>
>>> More like a nightmare. Some markup expression with some \etc somewhere
>>> in the middle? How many arguments is it supposed to stand for? And
>>> which markup command is it supposed to complete? And when is the
>>> definition supposed to be complete when \etc is not necessarily the last
>>> part?
>>>
>>> And here you put \etc in a position where it could replace an arbitrary
>>> number of markups, but my-concat magically does not get a markup list as
>>> its argument but a single markup?
>>>
>>> This is solidly "do what I mean, not what I say" realm, and computers
>>> have nothing to go by but what you say.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I do understand the programmers point of view, at least enough
>> to get the nightmare.
>> But from a user's perspective is "do what I mean, not what I say"
>> still sort of a dream. ;)
>
> Hey, it's not like I am bad at making naïve expectations work.
Indeed !!
> If you
> take a look at the recently committed issue 5181, it's probably good for
> making a good amount of stuff "just work" as expected that previously
> led to a lot of Scheme programming and list help. It's such a biggie
> that I haven't felt up to doing regtests, documentation of the feature,
> and undocumentation of having to work around its non-existence. Well,
> I started with the undocumentation in issue 5192 but there is a whole
> lot else to do.
>
> But your \etc example? Too many inconsistencies. One would to need to
> break it down into indivual elements, see how any of them can be cast
> into a framework, throw out those that don't fit and come up with
> something that covers enough ground to make some sense. And then you'll
> still have people asking why their attempts of hand-waving at an
> interface designed for hand-waving does not work and explain to them
> just what hand angles they can expect to use for what result.
Understood.
Cheers,
Harm
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), (continued)
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Kieren MacMillan, 2017/09/03
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Thomas Morley, 2017/09/03
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Thomas Morley, 2017/09/10
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), David Kastrup, 2017/09/10
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Thomas Morley, 2017/09/11
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), David Kastrup, 2017/09/12
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics),
Thomas Morley <=
Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Kieren MacMillan, 2017/09/11
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Thomas Morley, 2017/09/11
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Kieren MacMillan, 2017/09/11
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Thomas Morley, 2017/09/11
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Kieren MacMillan, 2017/09/11
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), David Kastrup, 2017/09/12
- Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Thomas Morley, 2017/09/12
Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Kieren MacMillan, 2017/09/12
Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Thomas Morley, 2017/09/12
Re: improving Janek's \dynamic function (for combo dynamics), Xavier Scheuer, 2017/09/11