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Re: Setting up classical guitar fingerings


From: Luca Fascione
Subject: Re: Setting up classical guitar fingerings
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 09:19:30 +0100

Hi Thomas, 
thanks for your comment, this helps me refine my understanding of what's going on.

At the same time, while I do see that for other articulations (fermata, appoggiato) this parenting scheme works very well,
I remain wondering whether for the style of layout of the fingering indications that I am after, the appropriate thing to do could be to change the parenting altogether.

If we look at chord for a second, I see the <one-note-chord> thing as a trick because to me even for proper chords the whole FingeringColumn idea is also a weird concept: imagine you're in say C major, and you're laying out fingering on the left of a chord like Fm <f aes c'>: I'm very unclear whether the most readable solution is to have the fingerings stacked one atop each other in a column (thereby more distant from f and c because of the intervening flat on the aes) or if instead the fingerings on f and c should be set tighter to their corresponding note heads and just the aes fingering be displaced left horizontally, to allow for the flat. I would like to experiment with various possibilities there, visually. I suppose you could still displace horizontally inside the column, and then push it all inwards closer to the chord even if the bboxes will overlap a bit... I anticipate issues such as making sure the fingering for c' doesn't interfer with the ascender on the flat glyph, also.

Which brings me to a question: what consequence would it have to replace the X-parent and Y-parent of the fingering to be the NoteHead instead?
(I guess there will be a need to deal with the accidentals at a minimum)
And also: how would I go at discovering these consequences without using too much of you guys' time?

Thanks again,
Luca

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:22 AM Thomas Morley <thomasmorley65@gmail.com> wrote:
Am So., 20. Feb. 2022 um 22:41 Uhr schrieb Luca Fascione <l.fascione@gmail.com>:

>  a) I'm looking for a way to get the fingerings where I want them without
> using one-note-chord tricks

Well, for Fingerings not in chord, like b-1 or <b dis'>-2-1 X-parent
is NoteColumn _not_ NoteHead, Y-parent  is VerticalAxisGroup.
There is no direct way from NoteHead to Fingering and vice versa.

Thus putting Fingering in-chord is unavoidable, imho, even for single notes.
It is _not_ a trick, but a requirement.

Furthermore, you say you set music for classical guitar, then chords
will happen anyway, although not in your example.
Please note, as soon as more than one in-chord Fingering is present a
FingeringColumn is created. Which will make things even more
complicated.
See
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6125
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/732

Sorry to be of not more help,
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