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Re: Stem direction of grace notes when main note is stemDown


From: Paul Hodges
Subject: Re: Stem direction of grace notes when main note is stemDown
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 09:33:47 +0100

Gould says all grace note have stems up, except (1) when there are two parts on a staff, (2) in a double stemmed group, (3) when the group is on the beat, sharing a note head with a main note whose stem is up.

Paul


From: Jean Abou Samra <jean@abou-samra.fr>
To: Knute Snortum <ksnortum@gmail.com>, <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Sent: 11/06/2022 23:58
Subject: Re: Stem direction of grace notes when main note is stemDown



Le 12/06/2022 à 00:52, Knute Snortum a écrit :
> I'm confused, which often means I'm missing something, so bear with me.
>
> I have always thought that a grace note's stem is up no matter what.
> But LilyPond's default is to engrave a grace note's stem down if the
> main note's stem is down:
>
> { \voiceTwo c'4 c' c' \acciaccatura d'8 c'4 }
>
> ...which forces one to do something like this:
>
> { \voiceTwo c'4 c' c' \acciaccatura { \stemUp d'8 } \stemDown c'4 }
>
> Even then, the slur goes from the head of the grace note to the tip of
> the stem in the main note, when I think it looks better when the slur
> goes head to head.
>
> LilyPond has engraved grace notes down stem when the main note is down
> stem since at least 2.18.2, but this seems wrong.  Shouldn't the
> default be always stem up?



What would you then do with

<<
  { g'4 g' g' \acciaccatura a'8 g'4 }
  \\
  { c'4 c' c' \acciaccatura d'8 c'4 }
>>

?

I don't have Gould at hand right now, but my clue is that the
rule reads: in single-stemmed writing, grace notes are always
up, even if their natural direction would be down, as in

{ c''4 c'' c'' \acciaccatura d''8 c''4 }

In double-stemmed writing, however, I don't believe it's
standard to do that.

Best,
Jean




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