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Re: zero-duration s to hold marks


From: Raphael Mankin
Subject: Re: zero-duration s to hold marks
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 09:42:29 +0000
User-agent: Mozilla Thunderbird

As a more general response to this thread, I feel that the reference manual needs to have more cross references. I frequently get a bit lost trying to find a suitable construct, or discovering what a construct means.

This thread has already shown that 1.2.2, 1.3.* and 1.5.* need to cross-reference each other.

On 12/01/2024 17:48, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

On 2024-01-12 15:58, Knute Snortum wrote:

    At least section 1.2.2 of the reference manual ought to be updated to
    include <> in the discussion of invisible rests.


Can you share how you would want that section changed?  Or I could take a stab at it, but it may not be what you want.  Also, <> can be used for a lot of different things that aren't rests, so maybe that section of the Notation manual is not the best place for it.

Agreed! In fact it's not a rest but the empty chord construct should rather be seen as a placeholder without any duration, to which you can attach things that normally are attached to notes. The question is where to best describe it in the manuals. If you search the full manuals for <>, the construct is used in several examples without any explanation, but there are also a few places where "empty chord" is described in conjunction with special cases of how to use it (see the entries for "chord, empty" in the Lilypond Index). In A.15 there's even a reference to the learning manual, http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/learning-big-page#structure-of-a-note-entry, which unfortunately doesn't seem to explain it either, even though the construct is used in several examples also in the learning manual.

Perhaps one suitable place could be Sect. 1.3.1 of the NR "1.3.1 Expressive marks attached to notes", but it could also be worth mentioning in 1.7 "Editorial annotations", for example. Technically, Sect. 1.5.1 "Chorded Notes" is the natural place to describe it, but that's probably not the most obvious place to look when you don't know about the construct.

    /Mats



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