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Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona |
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This is interesting. I guess I have had a different kind of student
population. Usually, after expalining how strange is the software
industry (when compared to other industries, from the point of view of
the customer, and of the professional), people understads the rationale
of libre software (not that they buy it necesarily, but they understand
it is reasonable). IUnderstandint it from the point of view of the
software producer is a bit more difficult (basically you have to answer
to the question "where is the money?").
Saludos,
Jesus.
On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:35 +0100, Maureen O'Sullivan wrote:
> I won't be in Genoa but just wanted to let you know about the (Free)
> Software Licensing and Legislation Masters module I started running
> this year at my university. I'm attaching the outline of the course.
> I deliberately didn't deal with patents this year because none of my
> students had a background in IP law but will make some changes in this
> respect next year.
>
> My experience was interesting and very rewarding. My dilemma was
> where to start. My experience has been that the minute you talk to
> lawyers about "property" there is a mental block about free
> software-style development. Instead I started with a background in
> free software (tailored, of course, to the fact that this is part of
> the Masters on Commercial Law). The students were quite resistant to
> the idea of not needing direct economic "incentive" at first and what
> really finally "released" them from this prejudice, was showing them
> the Euronews video about free software in Extremadura. I will run
> this course again and will also be lecturing at undergraduate level in
> the Cyberlaw course next year. I "control" the intellectual property
> side of things and, again, will be emphasising free software
> licensing, Creative Commons licensing as a viable alternative, indeed,
> a potentially better choice, than traditional ways of doing things. I
> have a great deal of academic freedom where I am based and would
> welcome any comments, information, criticism, etc., from this list.
>
> One more thing, I seem to have set up this list so I only get messages
> every so often and I haven't managed to change it. I'd like to get
> messages daily - could someone email me direct at
> address@hidden and tell me how to change this? Thanks.
>
> Maureen O'Sullivan,
> Lecturer in Software Licensing and Legislation, Cyberlaw and Land Law,
> University of the West of England,
> Bristol, UK.
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> 1. Re: Future meetings [was: Proposed agenda for the MoLOS
> meeting in Stuttgart] (Martin Michlmayr)
> 2. Re: Future meetings (David Megias)
> 3. Re: Future meetings [was: Proposed agenda for the MoLOS
> meeting in Stuttgart] (Renzo Davoli)
> 4. Re: Proposed agenda for the MoLOS meeting in Stuttgart
> (Cornelia Boldyreff)
> 5. Participation in panel about postgratuate studies on libre
> software in OSS2005 (Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona)
> 6. Re: Participation in panel about postgratuate studies on
> libre software in OSS2005 (Martin Michlmayr)
> 7. Re: Participation in panel about postgratuate studies on
> libre software in OSS2005 (Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona)
> 8. Re: Participation in panel about postgratuate studies on
> libre software in OSS2005 (Cornelia Boldyreff)
> 9. Libre Software Meeting - Dijon, July, 5th to July, 9th
> (Eric Cousin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:55:24 +0100
> From: Martin Michlmayr
> Subject: Re: [Masterlibre-list] Future meetings [was: Proposed
> agenda
> for the MoLOS meeting in Stuttgart]
> To: address@hidden
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> * Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona [2005-06-14 00:19]:
> > time to this. Probably the best moment would be the day
> after the
> > educational symposium. We finish the afternoon with a panel
> about
> > studies on libre software. Right after that we could have
> our own BOF,
> > or just leave together to have some beers ;-) I could also
> meet in the
> > late afternoon of the day before, I guess.
>
> On the afternoon the day before is imho better since it's more
> likely
> that people will be around (since that's when the main
> conference is
> and those arriving for the open educational conference will
> probably
> turn up a day early anyway).
> --
> Martin Michlmayr
> http://www.cyrius.com/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:24:39 +0200
> From: David Megias
> Subject: Re: [Masterlibre-list] Future meetings
> To: address@hidden
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> > On the afternoon the day before is imho better since it's
> more likely
> > that people will be around (since that's when the main
> conference is
> > and those arriving for the open educational conference will
> probably
> > turn up a day early anyway).
>
> Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend the conference in
> Genova since
> I have another conference in Florida. However, my colleague
> Jordi Serra
> will attend the conference and the Open Educational Symposium,
> but I
> think he has arranged the trip to leave when the same day that
> the
> Symposium finishes, so it will be better if the MoLOS meeting
> can take
> place the day before.
>
> As the GUADEC conference is taken into account, I think I'll
> wait for
> Anne and François comments and then I'll add my own ones ;). I
> think
> there is not too much to say, since we were the only three
> members of
> the MoLOS group in Stuttgart.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> ____________________________________________
>
> David Megias, PhD
>
> Estudis d'Informatica i Multimedia
> Universitat Oberta de Catalunya
> Av. Tibidabo, 39-43
> 08035 Barcelona
> Spain
>
> Tel: (+34) 932 537 523
> Fax: (+34) 934 176 495
>
> E-mail: address@hidden, address@hidden
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:52:14 +0200
> From: address@hidden (Renzo Davoli)
> Subject: Re: [Masterlibre-list] Future meetings [was: Proposed
> agenda
> for the MoLOS meeting in Stuttgart]
> To: Martin Michlmayr
> Cc: address@hidden
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> > On the afternoon the day before is imho better since it's
> more likely
> > that people will be around (since that's when the main
> conference is
> > and those arriving for the open educational conference will
> probably
> > turn up a day early anyway).
>
> I agree with Martin.
>
> I'll be in Genoa but unfortunately I have to return home in
> the night
> between 13th and 14th as I have to give a lecture in my master
> 10AM July 14th.
>
> renzo
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:36:37 +0100 (BST)
> From: Cornelia Boldyreff
> Subject: Re: [Masterlibre-list] Proposed agenda for the MoLOS
> meeting
> in Stuttgart
> To: address@hidden
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
> I'm planning to be at OSS2005, but during this time, also have
> the CALIBRE
> review.
> Cornelia
>
> Cornelia Boldyreff, Ph.D., FBCS
> Professor of Software Engineering
> Department of Computing and Informatics
> Faculty of Technology (MHAC MC3119)
> University of Lincoln
> Brayford Pool
> Lincoln LN6 7TS
> www: http://hemswell.lincoln.ac.uk/~cboldyreff/
>
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005, AnneØstergaard wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 01:04 +0200, Jesus M.
> Gonzalez-Barahona wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Anyone who could attend, could summarize how it was?
> >
> > I will try to get the time next week to write the minutes
> from our
> > meeting and from the presentations and the round table.
> >
> > We did not set a time for the next meeting in Genova as it
> is important
> > that those who can attend has a say here.
> >
> > Who plans to go to Genova?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Anne
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Saludos,
> > >
> > > Jesus.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 19:18 +0200, Anne Østergaard wrote:
> > > > Next meeting
> > > >
> > > > during www.guadec.org:
> > > >
> > > > Proposed agenda for the MoLOS meeting in Stuttgart on
> Monday afternoon
> > > > May 30th 2005
> > > >
> > > > Time: 13.00 - 15.00 (or longer:)
> > > >
> > > > Place: Haus der Wirtschaft (in the main Conference
> Building)
> > > >
> > > > We can not be sure of having Internet access in the
> meeting room.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Short presentation of the attendants
> > > >
> > > > 2. Preparing of the presentations and panel debate for
> Tuesday 31st of
> > > > May.
> > > >
> > > > 3. News from the countries about the advancement of The
> MoLOS (Master on
> > > > Libre and Open Source Software) project
> > > >
> > > > 4. Update on the organisation of the curriculum
> development: relevant
> > > > dates, proposed schedule, web infrastructure,
> participants (will include
> > > > general discussion)- Who will take this item?
> > > >
> > > > 5. Current experiences in high education related to
> libre software
> > > > (short presentations by institutions which are already
> offering
> > > > programmes or subjects on libre software).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please add your name and institution if you are
> attending GUADEC 6
> > > > meeting on Monday and /or Tuesday:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * Cornelia Boldyreff, UK
> > > >
> > > > * David Megias, ES
> > > >
> > > > * Francois Pellegrini, FR
> > > >
> > > > * Anne Østergaard, DK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 6. Next events where many participants will be able to
> meet: Genova,
> > > > Bologna, Summer School at Castellon (Spain)....Please
> add more
> > > > information.
> > > >
> > > > 7. Miscellaneous
> > > >
> > > > End of the meeting
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > > Anne Østergaard
> > > > GNOME Foundation
> > > > Phone:
> > > > 00 45 35 42 88 73
> > > >
> > --
> > Anne Østergaard
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:11:17 +0200
> From: "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona"
> Subject: [Masterlibre-list] Participation in panel about
> postgratuate
> studies on libre software in OSS2005
> To: address@hidden
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hi all,
>
> I know several of you have already shown interest in
> participating in
> the panel about postgrad studies on libre software in OSS2005.
> To
> organize things a bit, here you have some more context. I'd
> like you to
> confirm that you can participate, and in that case, which
> presentation
> (title) will you deliver (for now, I have that of the UOC,
> which will
> also be in the proceedings).
>
> The context:
>
> - The panel will last for about two-three hours, depending on
> how many
> people want to make presentations (I'd vote for two hours with
> an open,
> flexible finish time).
>
> - It will probably be after lunch
>
> - The panel would start with a presentation (by me, if you
> agree) of the
> MoLOS group, invitation to join, brief description of the work
> done,
> etc.
>
> - Then we would have presentations of about 10 min (even less
> if there
> were a lot of them, some like 15 min. if there were four or
> less)
>
> - After the presentations, panel (I can act as a moderator,
> probably we
> can previously sketch some interesting issues to raise),
> including
> questions from the attendants.
>
> Any comment will be of course appreciated.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Jesus.
>
> PS: I know some of you will be at the Calibre meeting that
> day. If you
> would like to attend the panel too, let me know. I'd like to
> try to
> coordinate this with Brian, maybe we can find some scheduluing
> solution.
>
> --
> Contribute to keep Europe free of software patents!
> EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es
> -----
> Jesus M. Gonzalez Barahona | GSyC (DIET)
> address@hidden / address@hidden | ESCET, Uni. Rey
> Juan Carlos
> tel: +34 91 664 74 67 | c/ Tulipan s/n
> fax: +34 91 488 70 49 | 28933 Mostoles, Spain
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:26:38 +0100
> From: Martin Michlmayr
> Subject: Re: [Masterlibre-list] Participation in panel about
> postgratuate studies on libre software in OSS2005
> To: "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona"
> Cc: address@hidden
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> * Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona [2005-06-17 01:11]:
> > The context:
> >
> > - The panel will last for about two-three hours, depending
> on how many
>
> Which day is that on?
> --
> Martin Michlmayr
> http://www.cyrius.com/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:43:01 +0200
> From: "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona"
> Subject: Re: [Masterlibre-list] Participation in panel about
> postgratuate studies on libre software in OSS2005
> To: Martin Michlmayr
> Cc: address@hidden
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Ooops. I forgot the most important information. On July 14th.
> http://oss2005.case.unibz.it/program.html#Open
>
> Saludos,
>
> Jesus.
>
> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 00:26 +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > * Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona [2005-06-17 01:11]:
> > > The context:
> > >
> > > - The panel will last for about two-three hours, depending
> on how many
> >
> > Which day is that on?
> --
> Contribute to keep Europe free of software patents!
> EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es
> -----
> Jesus M. Gonzalez Barahona | GSyC (DIET)
> address@hidden / address@hidden | ESCET, Uni. Rey
> Juan Carlos
> tel: +34 91 664 74 67 | c/ Tulipan s/n
> fax: +34 91 488 70 49 | 28933 Mostoles, Spain
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:34:07 +0100 (BST)
> From: Cornelia Boldyreff
> Subject: Re: [Masterlibre-list] Participation in panel about
> postgratuate studies on libre software in OSS2005
> To: "Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona"
> Cc: address@hidden
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>
> Jesus,
> I'd like to be involved but I'll also have the CALIBRE review.
> Cornelia
>
> Cornelia Boldyreff, Ph.D., FBCS
> Professor of Software Engineering
> Department of Computing and Informatics
> Faculty of Technology (MHAC MC3119)
> University of Lincoln
> Brayford Pool
> Lincoln LN6 7TS
> www: http://hemswell.lincoln.ac.uk/~cboldyreff/
>
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I know several of you have already shown interest in
> participating in
> > the panel about postgrad studies on libre software in
> OSS2005. To
> > organize things a bit, here you have some more context. I'd
> like you to
> > confirm that you can participate, and in that case, which
> presentation
> > (title) will you deliver (for now, I have that of the UOC,
> which will
> > also be in the proceedings).
> >
> > The context:
> >
> > - The panel will last for about two-three hours, depending
> on how many
> > people want to make presentations (I'd vote for two hours
> with an open,
> > flexible finish time).
> >
> > - It will probably be after lunch
> >
> > - The panel would start with a presentation (by me, if you
> agree) of the
> > MoLOS group, invitation to join, brief description of the
> work done,
> > etc.
> >
> > - Then we would have presentations of about 10 min (even
> less if there
> > were a lot of them, some like 15 min. if there were four or
> less)
> >
> > - After the presentations, panel (I can act as a moderator,
> probably we
> > can previously sketch some interesting issues to raise),
> including
> > questions from the attendants.
> >
> > Any comment will be of course appreciated.
> >
> > Saludos,
> >
> > Jesus.
> >
> > PS: I know some of you will be at the Calibre meeting that
> day. If you
> > would like to attend the panel too, let me know. I'd like to
> try to
> > coordinate this with Brian, maybe we can find some
> scheduluing solution.
> >
> > --
> > Contribute to keep Europe free of software patents!
> > EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es
> > -----
> > Jesus M. Gonzalez Barahona | GSyC (DIET)
> > address@hidden / address@hidden | ESCET, Uni. Rey
> Juan Carlos
> > tel: +34 91 664 74 67 | c/ Tulipan s/n
> > fax: +34 91 488 70 49 | 28933 Mostoles, Spain
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:14:19 +0200
> From: Eric Cousin
> Subject: [Masterlibre-list] Libre Software Meeting - Dijon,
> July, 5th
> to July, 9th
> To: address@hidden
> Cc: address@hidden
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
>
> After the Guadec meeting, and just before the Genova meeting,
> there will be
> another opportunity to talk about postgratuatestudies on libre
> software.
> We are organizing a special session on this topic within the
> next "Libre
> Software Meeting" that will take place in Dijon (France) the
> first week of
> July (see
>
> http://2005.rencontresmondiales.org/sections/index_html/switchLanguage/en)
> [Note : the official language of this event is french]
>
> Here is a brief description of what we intend to talk about in
> this session
>
> (http://rencontresmondiales.org/sections/conference/formation_au_libre_dans) :
>
> "Within about twenty years, the concept of Libre software - as
> originaly
> defined by the Free Software Foundation (see
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html)
> - has been gradually structured, and has now reached maturity.
> The
> knowledge related to Libre software is already considerable,
> and growing.
> But one can hardly find whole curricula specifically dedicated
> to - or
> built upon - the Libre paradigm. Yet, we think that pure
> technical know-how
> about just a set of tools, even if well chosen, is far from
> being
> sufficient to understand, and benefit from, the whole power of
> the Libre
> paradigm. We feel there is a need for new curricula which
> would encompass
> all aspects of the paradigm.
>
> Furthermore, any activity in the so-called Information Society
> is requiring
> "Libre-awareness" more and more, if not specific abilities.
> That's why we
> are also advocating Libre paradigm to be paid much more
> attention within
> curricula, not only in a software engineering perspective, but
> also in a
> business/economic, a law/judicial or socio-cultural
> perspective.
>
> Lastly, we also want to investigate how the Libre paradigm
> could be used as
> a « pedagogical prism ». Anyone studying the Libre paradigm
> per se has
> experienced how he/she was often led to consider many
> different concerns
> (economic, business, property rights, ...). This is due to the
> tranversal
> nature of the Libre paradigm: it calls into questions so many
> topics! Using
> a Libre perspective as a lever to understand many other
> concerns in a
> course will therefore also be debated."
>
> This session is not schedule yet, but local organization wish
> to fit it in
> a 1h/1h30 slot. We'll therefore try to set up a debate within
> this slot,
> and propose to have further discussions/work in another room
> if enough
> persons are interested.
>
> For sure, if somebody in this list happens to come to the LSM,
> she/he will
> be welcome.
>
> Anyway :
> 1) In our introductory talk, we'll invite people to join the
> MoLOSS effort;
> 2) In our introductory talk, we'll mention examples of cursus
> focused on
> the Libre paradigm (some have already been talk about on this
> list) ; if
> you wish to have "yours" being somewhat "advertized", let us
> know ;->
> 3) If you have any specific question/topic to suggest to be
> debated, please
> let us know
> 4) We'll try our best to report what was said in the session
> on this list.
>
> Hope to see some of you in Dijon
>
> Eric
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
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fax: +34 91 488 70 49 | 28933 Mostoles, Spain