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Re: [Paparazzi-devel] No serial communication between PC & XBee?


From: Alston Pike
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] No serial communication between PC & XBee?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:53:50 -0500

Dirk,

It's not in the appendix.  I followed the same wiring diagram that's
in the wiki for the Futaba T6EXAP.  I didn't have enough time to get
the controller opened back up to get pictures of what all I did
inside.

Alston Pike
BSME 2009
The University of Alabama
address@hidden
(706) 594-2812



2009/6/22 Alston Pike <address@hidden>:
> No problem.  I'm glad it helped get some things cleared up for you.
>
> I probably need to add my radio config to the sources and to the wiki.
>  It would save someone a lot of headache with the oscilloscope and
> 100+ page excel files.
>
> Alston Pike
> BSME 2009
> The University of Alabama
> address@hidden
> (706) 594-2812
>
>
>
> 2009/6/22 Bernard Davison <address@hidden>:
>> Thanks Alston,
>>
>> The doc was a good read though I think that the wiki now contains a little
>> more data though I must say that some of your wordings were a little less
>> confusing so I'll take a look at updating the wiki.
>>
>> I got a couple more XBee-PRO modules today and once I configured one as a
>> coordinator and tried to connect to the plane everything worked as it should
>> have. :-)
>> I'm now up and away which is great.
>>
>> The question is now... what exactly can I update the wiki with so that
>> others who find themselves in a similar situation can learn from.
>> Will have to put my thinking cap on.
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bernie.
>>
>> On 21/06/2009, at 2:11 PM, Alston Pike wrote:
>>
>>> Right now, I've got the document hosted on my account on our college's
>>> linux server.  You can find it at
>>>
>>> http://www.unix.eng.ua.edu/~apike/files/Blackbird.pdf
>>>
>>> It's pretty comprehensive of the entire project, since I was trying to
>>> create a doc that would let people who pick up the autopilot system
>>> after me be up and running with as little trouble as possible.  I've
>>> left the airframe configuration to the page on the wiki, and only
>>> covered the details of XBee configuration using the transparent
>>> protocols.
>>>
>>> Maybe there is something in there that will be helpful.
>>>
>>> Alston Pike
>>> BSME 2009
>>> The University of Alabama
>>> address@hidden
>>> (706) 594-2812
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/6/20 Bernard Davison <address@hidden>:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Alston,
>>>>
>>>> At the moment I'm thinking that I have a modem configuration problem.
>>>>
>>>> My current setup is (Since I've burnt out one modem with the 5 volt
>>>> supply
>>>> issue and stuffed up one with a re-flash issue...)
>>>> Aircraft: XBP24-Z7WIT-004 - Configured as endpoint AT 9600 Baud
>>>> Ground: XBP24-BSIT-004 - Configured as coordinator AT (Not ZNet) 9600
>>>> Baud
>>>>
>>>> I can get serial communications working fine using the default
>>>> transparent
>>>> communications (PPRZ) when connection the FTDI cable directly to the Tiny
>>>> v2.11.
>>>> I have then tried to replace the cable connection with the XBees and use
>>>> the
>>>> same configuration without success.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward reading your doc.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Bernie.
>>>>
>>>> On 20/06/2009, at 5:21 AM, Alston Pike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll post a PDF file to my website later this weekend and get the link
>>>>> posted.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as power is concerned, I think the XBee modems are 3.3V, but
>>>>> are 5V tolerant (that is, if I remember correctly).  The cables
>>>>> included with the PPZUAV kits drive the modems off the 5V bus to keep
>>>>> radio interference off the 3.3V line shared with the processor.  That
>>>>> said, according the specs on Digi's website, the XBee Pro only draws
>>>>> 294mA and the LM317 should be good for 1.5A.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which FTDI cable are you using?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alston Pike
>>>>> BSME 2009
>>>>> The University of Alabama
>>>>> address@hidden
>>>>> (706) 594-2812
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/6/18 Bernard Davison <address@hidden>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I've been having similar problems combined with power supply
>>>>>> issues... :-(
>>>>>> First I fried one XBee unit by plugging it into the FTDI cable which I
>>>>>> though was 3.3 volt because of the details of the item when connected
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> USB
>>>>>> port. (came up as ...FTDI... 3.3v)
>>>>>> Next I've made a power supply from the 5 volts using an LM317 power
>>>>>> regulator but I think under load the power supply is unstable so will
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> again with a low drop out regulator.
>>>>>> I think this has resulted in partial flashing of another XBee that I
>>>>>> bought
>>>>>> as a replacement. I hope there's a power up sequence that can be used
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> re-flash it. Must read the docs more thoroughly first...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd love a copy of your config docs is you wouldn't mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Bernie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/06/2009, at 3:16 AM, Alston Pike wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially, I found that I had a bad modem that wouldn't let me flash
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the firmware.  The biggest thing, however, is getting all the settings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> right and flashed to the modems via X-CTU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need anything, I've got a fairly detailed paper that I wrote to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> detail the installation and (some of) the configuration of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> autopilot system which I can post online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alston Pike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BSME 2009
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The University of Alabama
>>>>>>
>>>>>> address@hidden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (706) 594-2812
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/6/17 Bernard Davison <address@hidden>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Alston,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm experiencing similar issues to what you have described earlier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you able to remember any details of what caused the problem and the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> solution or what I've missed and post them here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/04/2009, at 3:10 PM, Alston Pike wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will most likely be some time next week before I get a chance to get
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IRC.  We're hosting an ASME conference here in Tuscaloosa this weekend
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be busy with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I'll be presenting what work I have completed with my plane
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the amazingness of Paparazzi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/2/09, David Buzz Carlson <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alston,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have time, I can troubleshoot this with you on the IRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buzz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alston Pike wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FTDI cable works fine. I have the Flight USB setting for transparent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> operation using the PPRZ protocol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting note... when I use the Flight - Maxstream @ 57600 option,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get some activity on the transmit & receive lights on the adapter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> board but when I use the transparent options, I get nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alston Pike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BSME 2009
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The University of Alabama
>>>>>>
>>>>>> address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (706) 594-2812
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/4/2 C.KUO <address@hidden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:address@hidden>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you try to use FTDI cable instead of mdoem to check if the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GCS has some reaction?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2nd thing, you use the Xbee or PPRZ for the modem? because if you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> use PPRZ (which should work with you Xbee, but just no multiple
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aircraft operation), then you need to use option"flight by usb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9600", and in this option, you need to change the rate to 57600
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (same as your modem).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this will hleps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> good luck
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 引述 Alston Pike <address@hidden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:address@hidden>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   So, in the process of configuring my modems, I came to realize
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   that the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   modem in the plane was bad and that it was part of my problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I've been
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   having getting the GCS to populate. I've got a new one now,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   and I'm able to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   work with that modem in X-CTU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Now that I've got the plane reassembled with the new modem in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   place, I try
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   launching a new flight. The activity lights on the FTDI
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   adapter never come
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   on. The power LED is on, and I checked dmesg and *something* is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ttyUSB0. My GCS still will not populate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Here's everything I know:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Ground station modem:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   XBee Pro Series 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Configured with ZNet 2.5 Configurator AT function set
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   (Firmware 1047)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   PAN ID: 1337
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Destination (DH) : 13A200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Destination (DL) : 402C135B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Serial (SH) : 13A200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Serial (SL) : 404BA6E6
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Baud : 57600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Plane modem:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   XBee Pro Series 2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Configured with ZNet 2.5 Router/End Device AT function set
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   (Firmware 1247)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   PAN ID : 1337
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Destination (DH) : 13A200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Destination (DL) : 404BA6E6
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Serial (SH) : 13A200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Serial (SL) : 402C135B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Baud : 57600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   dmesg:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   [ 552.804394] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   uhci_hcd and address
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   [ 550.733249] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   [ 550.735160] ftdi_sio 1-2:1.0: FTDI USB Serial Device
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   converter detected
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   [ 550.735202]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/usb/serial/ftdi_sio.c:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Detected FT232RL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   [ 550.735314] usb 1-2: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   attached to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ttyUSB0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ivyprobe:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Broadcasting on network 127.255.255.255, port 2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server connected from localhost
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server subscribes to '^(.*) ALIVE'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server subscribes to '^(.*) PPRZ_MODE'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(MOVE_WAYPOINT(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(DL_SETTING( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(JUMP_TO_BLOCK(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(RAW_DATALINK( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +([^ ]*)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   +(AIRCRAFTS_REQ.*)'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Paparazzi server subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +([^ ]*)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +(CONFIG_REQ.*)'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link connected from localhost
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(DGPS_RAW( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(ACINFO( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(MOVE_WP( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(WIND_INFO( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(SETTING( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(BLOCK( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(BOOZ2_FMS_COMMAND( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(HITL_UBX( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(HITL_INFRARED( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(FORMATION_SLOT( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(FORMATION_STATUS( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(JOYSTICK_RAW( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Link subscribes to '^([^ ]*) +(COMMANDS_RAW( .*|$))'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   And finally, my control_panel.xml:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <control_panel name="paparazzi control panel">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <section name="variables">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <variable name="downlink_serial_port" value="/dev/ttyUSB0"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <variable name="fbw_serial_port" value="/dev/ttyS1"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <variable name="ap_serial_port" value="/dev/ttyS0"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <variable name="ivy_bus" value="127:2010"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <variable name="map" value="muret_UTM.xml"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <variable name="flight_plan" value="flight_plans/muret1.xml"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </section>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <section name="programs">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Server" command="sw/ground_segment/tmtc/server">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-b" variable="ivy_bus"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Data Link" command="sw/ground_segment/tmtc/link">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-b" variable="ivy_bus"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="GCS" command="sw/ground_segment/cockpit/gcs">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-b" variable="ivy_bus"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Flight Plan Editor"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   command="sw/ground_segment/cockpit/gcs -edit">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Messages"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   command="sw/ground_segment/tmtc/messages">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-b" variable="ivy_bus"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Settings"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   command="sw/ground_segment/tmtc/settings">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-b" variable="ivy_bus"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Log Plotter" command ="sw/logalizer/plot"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Real-time Plotter" command
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ="sw/logalizer/plotter"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Log File Player" command="sw/logalizer/play">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-b" variable="ivy_bus"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Simulator" command="sw/simulator/launchsitl">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-b" variable="ivy_bus"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Hardware in the Loop"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   command="sw/simulator/simhitl">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-fbw" variable="fbw_serial_port"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-ap" variable="ap_serial_port"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Environment Simulator"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> command="sw/simulator/gaia">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-b" variable="ivy_bus"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Http Server"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> command="sw/ground_segment/tmtc/boa"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </section>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <section name="sessions">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <session name="Flight address@hidden">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Data Link">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-d" constant="/dev/ttyUSB0"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Server"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="GCS"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </session>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <session name="Flight address@hidden">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Data Link">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-d" constant="/dev/ttyUSB0"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-transport" constant="xbee"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-s" constant="57600"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Server"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="GCS"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </session>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <session name="Flight USB">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Data Link">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-d" constant="/dev/ttyUSB0"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-transport" constant="pprz"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-uplink" constant=""/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <arg flag="-s" constant="57600"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </program>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="Server"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   <program name="GCS"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   </session>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ... the rest is as-is from when I downloaded the CVS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I can send my airframe config file later if it would help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Confused,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Alston Pike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   BSME 2009
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   The University of Alabama
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   (706) 594-2812
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr C.KUO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aerospace Engineering, MEng
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mechanical Engineering, PhD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Research Associate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Department of Materials Science and Engineering
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saarland University
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Campus Dudweiler, Beethovenstrasse
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 66125 Saarbr?ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alston Pike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BSME 2009
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The University of Alabama
>>>>>>
>>>>>> address@hidden
>>>>>>
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