Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Several Issues about Purchasing Paparazzi Hardware

[Nathan Aherne]

Hi Chris,

While you make a good point, I am particularly worried about i since I do not 
export Paparazzi hardware and the export restrictions on Paparazzi hardware 
from the US is nowhere near as strict as preconfigured autopilots. Hence my 
comment.

Lots of things are illegal, hell having Mp3s on your iPod was illegal up until 
a while ago, as well as recording TV. I am pretty sure we are not going to end 
up in the Aussie version of Gitmo because we sold a a couple of chinese 
university students a PCB to help out an academic project. The government 
creates all sorts of ridiculous laws (without consultation) and its up to US 
the people to decide what we think is legal. Only over time will things change 
if the populous doesn't like the law.

Kindest regards,
 
Nathan Aherne
Reddog Technology
Web: www.reddog.com.au
Email: address@hidden
Mob: 0402 555 080

On 21/05/2010, at 12:58 PM, Chris Gough wrote:

> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Nathan Aherne
> <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Contact David from ppzuav.com he sells the hardware. There are no export
>> restrictions
> 
> Export control laws differ from country to country, but they are not a
> trivial issue. For example, Nathan as Australians you and I would need
> permission from these people to export paparazzi hardware:
> 
>    http://www.defence.gov.au/strategy/deco/
> 
> I have specific advice from DECO that Paparazzi hardware IS a
> prohibited export. They cited page 49, ML11, note 7. the "Defence and
> Strategic Goods List" (regulations)
> 
>    
> http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/C70D9752B41A867CCA257714001A865F/$file/F2010L01084.pdf
> 
> Paparazzi hardware was classified "dual use good", as in it could be
> re-purposed to military ends (see Division 2).
> 
> We are also subject to these UN Security Council sanctions:
> 
>    http://www.dfat.gov.au/un/unsc_sanctions/
> 
> Basically, we could get in a lot of trouble for exporting paparazzi
> hardware without a Permit (prior permission) or Licence (prior
> forgiveness), especially to the wrong place.
> 
> Obviously other countries are not subject to Australian laws, but I
> expect many will be generally similar because our export control laws
> are basically a local implementation of common obligations under the
> UN.
> 
> On the other hand, as far as I know there are no sanctions out on
> China; and I've been hit in the head with a kg of flying foam (it's
> definitely a non-lethal force), so the Jiao Tong University team
> should be able to get some hardware for their project.
> 
> Chris Gough
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 21/05/2010, at 11:46 AM, 鲍士杰 <address@hidden> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> We are a team formed by senior students in Shanghai China, planning to start
>> a paparazzi project recently. After browsing the paparazzi wiki website for
>> around two weeks, we have already got a general picture of the project.
>> However, there is a serious Export Control issue we care about, can we buy
>> hardware components from online store like PPZUAV, and then ship to us?
>> Since we work on it as a capstone project, and the purpose of using those
>> hardware is purely educational, in addition, an official proof would be
>> provided by our Institute if needed.
>> Our question is simple, can we buy a paparazzi project package and deliver
>> back to us, from any vendor?
>> If you understand our situation, can you provide us with reference about the
>> U.S. Export Control laws on the paparazzi project hardware?
>> Thank you, hope to see your reply soon.
>> 
>> --
>> Bao Shi Jie
>> 
>> Shanghai Jiao Tong University
>> University of Michigan and Shanghai Jiao Tong University Joint Institute
>> 
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