Re: pspp-dev Digest, Vol 209, Issue 4

[Ben Pfaff]

The "doc" directory is available through the Savannah webpage at
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/pspp.git/tree/doc.

I don't know what "I found this web address?" means.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:23 AM Elias Tsolis <estatisticseu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I cannot find the doc directory.
>
> Can you direct me to that?
>
> i found this web address?
>
> sincerely,
>
> Elias
>
>
> On 24/3/22 6:38 pm, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> > PSPP does not have a Discord, but there is, or was, an IRC channel.
> > John, is it still active? It was on freenode, but most free software
> > projects have migrated away from freenode.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 9:31 AM Elias Tsolis <estatisticseu@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >> Is there discord channel?
> >>
> >> Many software devs using it for faster communication!
> >>
> >> sincerely,
> >>
> >> Elias
> >>
> >> On 24/3/22 5:18 pm, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> >>> If you would like to translate the manual to Greek, you are welcome to
> >>> do so, but it is a big job.
> >>>
> >>> Short of that, it would be very helpful if you spot something in the
> >>> manual that is not as helpful as it could be, and suggest
> >>> improvements. I know that, for example, most of the commands in the
> >>> manual do not include examples. If you wanted to contribute examples,
> >>> I think that users could find that helpful.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 1:02 AM Elias Tsolis <estatisticseu@gmail.com> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I can translate it in greek if you want.
> >>>> Aldo i purpose to adf some examples for syntax.
> >>>> Pkease tell me what to do.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022, <pspp-dev-request@gnu.org> wrote:
> >>>>> Send pspp-dev mailing list submissions to
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> >>>>> Today's Topics:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      1. Re: Your automagic screenshots! (Ben Pfaff)
> >>>>>      2. Re: Your automagic screenshots! (John Darrington)
> >>>>>      3. Re: Your automagic screenshots! (Ben Pfaff)
> >>>>>      4. Re: Your automagic screenshots! (Alan Mead)
> >>>>>      5. Re: Your automagic screenshots! (Ben Pfaff)
> >>>>>      6. Re: Your automagic screenshots!  (Friedrich Beckmann)
> >>>>>      7. Re: Your automagic screenshots! (John Darrington)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 1
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:20:50 -0700
> >>>>> From: Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu>
> >>>>> To: Friedrich Beckmann <friedrich.beckmann@gmx.de>
> >>>>> Cc: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>,  PSPP Development
> >>>>>           Mailing List <pspp-dev@gnu.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Your automagic screenshots!
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>>           
> >>>>> <CAA_G9+h5bPG70rk_5CT9vmLeJtrJdcrJQs13Fws0fSSu-9GXKA@mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We've had documentation in French and Polish contributed by users
> >>>>> before. We linked to it from the FAQ. It seems that those links are
> >>>>> dead now, though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It would be great to get documentation contributions that we can
> >>>>> include in the PSPP manual.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 2:46 AM Friedrich Beckmann
> >>>>> <friedrich.beckmann@gmx.de> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi John,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i just had a look at your automagic screenshots that you take for the 
> >>>>>> documentation. Very nice. This Nina who asked on the mailing list
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> how to import from Excel mentioned that it would be nice to have a 
> >>>>>> description for this in the manual. I wanted to propose her that she 
> >>>>>> could
> >>>>>> make such a manual which would currently mean to write the texi code 
> >>>>>> which would require to have a build system running to see the rendered 
> >>>>>> pages. Automagic screenshots would be even more advanced.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you ever propose users just to make some kind of handcrafted 
> >>>>>> tutorial or documentation, provide it in pdf under some CC license and 
> >>>>>> we would publish it on the gnu website?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fritz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 2
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:23:57 +0100
> >>>>> From: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>
> >>>>> To: Friedrich Beckmann <friedrich.beckmann@gmx.de>
> >>>>> Cc: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>, PSPP Development
> >>>>>           Mailing List <pspp-dev@gnu.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Your automagic screenshots!
> >>>>> Message-ID: <YjoUPU8v7I56GDJ0@jocasta.intra>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So far as I'm aware, there's no way of importing directly from excel.  
> >>>>> You would
> >>>>> first have to convert the excel file to something else like gnumeric or 
> >>>>> opendocument
> >>>>> format.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> J'
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:45:32AM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote:
> >>>>>        Hi John,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        i just had a look at your automagic screenshots that you take 
> >>>>> for the documentation. Very nice. This Nina who asked on the mailing 
> >>>>> list
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        
> >>>>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html 
> >>>>> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        how to import from Excel mentioned that it would be nice to have 
> >>>>> a description for this in the manual. I wanted to propose her that she 
> >>>>> could
> >>>>>        make such a manual which would currently mean to write the texi 
> >>>>> code which would require to have a build system running to see the 
> >>>>> rendered pages. Automagic screenshots would be even more advanced.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Did you ever propose users just to make some kind of handcrafted 
> >>>>> tutorial or documentation, provide it in pdf under some CC license and 
> >>>>> we would publish it on the gnu website?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Fritz
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 3
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:29:29 -0700
> >>>>> From: Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu>
> >>>>> To: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>
> >>>>> Cc: Friedrich Beckmann <friedrich.beckmann@gmx.de>,  PSPP Development
> >>>>>           Mailing List <pspp-dev@gnu.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Your automagic screenshots!
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>>           
> >>>>> <CAA_G9+hL=QTvRCqe=WnGx5oSuo9+fXGDhwmszS0Y1aP2TLS8cQ@mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's an extraordinarily common feature request, so if there's a
> >>>>> practical way to support direct import then we should consider it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:26 AM John Darrington
> >>>>> <john@darrington.wattle.id.au> wrote:
> >>>>>> So far as I'm aware, there's no way of importing directly from excel.  
> >>>>>> You would
> >>>>>> first have to convert the excel file to something else like gnumeric 
> >>>>>> or opendocument
> >>>>>> format.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> J'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:45:32AM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote:
> >>>>>>        Hi John,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        i just had a look at your automagic screenshots that you take 
> >>>>>> for the documentation. Very nice. This Nina who asked on the mailing 
> >>>>>> list
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        
> >>>>>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html 
> >>>>>> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        how to import from Excel mentioned that it would be nice to 
> >>>>>> have a description for this in the manual. I wanted to propose her 
> >>>>>> that she could
> >>>>>>        make such a manual which would currently mean to write the texi 
> >>>>>> code which would require to have a build system running to see the 
> >>>>>> rendered pages. Automagic screenshots would be even more advanced.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        Did you ever propose users just to make some kind of 
> >>>>>> handcrafted tutorial or documentation, provide it in pdf under some CC 
> >>>>>> license and we would publish it on the gnu website?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        Cheers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>        Fritz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 4
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:40:57 -0500
> >>>>> From: Alan Mead <amead2@alanmead.org>
> >>>>> To: pspp-dev@gnu.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Your automagic screenshots!
> >>>>> Message-ID: <e3ca7111-8079-36b1-66b2-462308d5b24f@alanmead.org>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are probably aware, but the XLSX format used in recent versions of
> >>>>> Excel is significantly more accessible (it's a ZIP file containing XML
> >>>>> and similar data) than the older XLS format.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, it's fairly easy to open an XLS/XLSX file in LibreOffice and save
> >>>>> it as CSV, but you can also use LO in a batch mode (Windows/DOS 
> >>>>> example):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\program\scalc.exe" --convert-to csv
> >>>>> "excel_file.xls"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> produces "excel_file.csv" in CSV format.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Alan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/22/2022 1:29 PM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> >>>>>> It's an extraordinarily common feature request, so if there's a
> >>>>>> practical way to support direct import then we should consider it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:26 AM John Darrington
> >>>>>> <john@darrington.wattle.id.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>> So far as I'm aware, there's no way of importing directly from excel. 
> >>>>>>>  You would
> >>>>>>> first have to convert the excel file to something else like gnumeric 
> >>>>>>> or opendocument
> >>>>>>> format.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> J'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:45:32AM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote:
> >>>>>>>         Hi John,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         i just had a look at your automagic screenshots that you take 
> >>>>>>> for the documentation. Very nice. This Nina who asked on the mailing 
> >>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html 
> >>>>>>> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         how to import from Excel mentioned that it would be nice to 
> >>>>>>> have a description for this in the manual. I wanted to propose her 
> >>>>>>> that she could
> >>>>>>>         make such a manual which would currently mean to write the 
> >>>>>>> texi code which would require to have a build system running to see 
> >>>>>>> the rendered pages. Automagic screenshots would be even more advanced.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         Did you ever propose users just to make some kind of 
> >>>>>>> handcrafted tutorial or documentation, provide it in pdf under some 
> >>>>>>> CC license and we would publish it on the gnu website?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         Cheers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         Fritz
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 5
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:47:15 -0700
> >>>>> From: Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu>
> >>>>> To: Alan Mead <amead2@alanmead.org>
> >>>>> Cc: PSPP Development Mailing List <pspp-dev@gnu.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Your automagic screenshots!
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>>           
> >>>>> <CAA_G9+hvyXcOAazgY6qr7RV+-Zv01bfwW9qJP=jO2vRyEAEK2g@mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I followed the saga of standardizing the XLSX format in some detail
> >>>>> when it was going on 10 or so years ago. At least at the time, it was
> >>>>> said that it would take a lot of work for a program to read it,
> >>>>> because (for example) a program that read it would need to be able to
> >>>>> implement recalculation, including all the formulas and functions,
> >>>>> since the files didn't necessarily include the pre calculated values.
> >>>>> This suggests to me that, if PSPP were to be able to read these files
> >>>>> directly, then we would need to use a third-party library or program
> >>>>> to do it with a reasonable amount of code.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe we should add instructions for conversion to the FAQ or the
> >>>>> manual. The batch mode instructions look helpful to me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 AM Alan Mead <amead2@alanmead.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> You are probably aware, but the XLSX format used in recent versions of
> >>>>>> Excel is significantly more accessible (it's a ZIP file containing XML
> >>>>>> and similar data) than the older XLS format.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, it's fairly easy to open an XLS/XLSX file in LibreOffice and save
> >>>>>> it as CSV, but you can also use LO in a batch mode (Windows/DOS 
> >>>>>> example):
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\program\scalc.exe" --convert-to csv
> >>>>>> "excel_file.xls"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> produces "excel_file.csv" in CSV format.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Alan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/22/2022 1:29 PM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> >>>>>>> It's an extraordinarily common feature request, so if there's a
> >>>>>>> practical way to support direct import then we should consider it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:26 AM John Darrington
> >>>>>>> <john@darrington.wattle.id.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> So far as I'm aware, there's no way of importing directly from 
> >>>>>>>> excel.  You would
> >>>>>>>> first have to convert the excel file to something else like gnumeric 
> >>>>>>>> or opendocument
> >>>>>>>> format.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> J'
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:45:32AM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote:
> >>>>>>>>         Hi John,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>         i just had a look at your automagic screenshots that you 
> >>>>>>>> take for the documentation. Very nice. This Nina who asked on the 
> >>>>>>>> mailing list
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html 
> >>>>>>>> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pspp-users/2022-03/msg00031.html>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>         how to import from Excel mentioned that it would be nice to 
> >>>>>>>> have a description for this in the manual. I wanted to propose her 
> >>>>>>>> that she could
> >>>>>>>>         make such a manual which would currently mean to write the 
> >>>>>>>> texi code which would require to have a build system running to see 
> >>>>>>>> the rendered pages. Automagic screenshots would be even more 
> >>>>>>>> advanced.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>         Did you ever propose users just to make some kind of 
> >>>>>>>> handcrafted tutorial or documentation, provide it in pdf under some 
> >>>>>>>> CC license and we would publish it on the gnu website?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>         Cheers
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>         Fritz
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 6
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 06:25:52 +0100
> >>>>> From: Friedrich Beckmann <friedrich.beckmann@gmx.de>
> >>>>> To: Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu>
> >>>>> Cc: Alan Mead <amead2@alanmead.org>, PSPP Development Mailing List
> >>>>>           <pspp-dev@gnu.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Your automagic screenshots!
> >>>>> Message-ID: <BC4FA759-8BCB-4EE2-B825-C5F4BA595070@gmx.de>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I answered her in the mailing list to export from excel to csv and to 
> >>>>> import from csv to pspp. That seemed to be sufficient. I was more 
> >>>>> wondering how to engage people who probably are not in the position to 
> >>>>> install the build environment to render the documentation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Friedrich
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 23.03.2022 um 04:59 schrieb Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe we should add instructions for conversion to the FAQ or the
> >>>>>> manual. The batch mode instructions look helpful to me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 7
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:29:39 +0100
> >>>>> From: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>
> >>>>> To: Friedrich Beckmann <friedrich.beckmann@gmx.de>
> >>>>> Cc: Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu>, PSPP Development Mailing List
> >>>>>           <pspp-dev@gnu.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Your automagic screenshots!
> >>>>> Message-ID: <YjrogwohhDQ3vxla@jocasta.intra>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The documentation including screenshots are included in the manual.
> >>>>> If I recall correctly this includes the Windoze builds last time I
> >>>>> checked.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 06:25:52AM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        I answered her in the mailing list to export from excel to csv 
> >>>>> and to import from csv to pspp. That seemed to be sufficient. I was 
> >>>>> more wondering how to engage people who probably are not in the 
> >>>>> position to install the build environment to render the documentation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Friedrich
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        > Am 23.03.2022 um 04:59 schrieb Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu>:
> >>>>>        >
> >>>>>        > Maybe we should add instructions for conversion to the FAQ or 
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>        > manual. The batch mode instructions look helpful to me.
> >>>>>        >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> End of pspp-dev Digest, Vol 209, Issue 4
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