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Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generat
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Daniel P . Berrangé |
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Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators |
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Wed, 4 Jun 2025 08:15:47 +0100 |
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On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 08:17:27AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2025 at 10:25 AM Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
>> +
> >> +The increasing prevalence of AI code generators, most notably but not
> >> limited
> >
> > More detail is needed on what an "AI code generator" is. Coding
> > assistant tools range from autocompletion to linters to automatic code
> > generators. In addition there are other AI-related tools like ChatGPT
> > or Gemini as a chatbot that can people use like Stackoverflow or an
> > API documentation summarizer.
> >
> > I think the intent is to say: do not put code that comes from _any_ AI
> > tool into QEMU.
> >
> > It would be okay to use AI to research APIs, algorithms, brainstorm
> > ideas, debug the code, analyze the code, etc but the actual code
> > changes must not be generated by AI.
The scope of the policy is around contributions we receive as
patches with SoB. Researching / brainstorming / analysis etc
are not contribution activities, so not covered by the policy
IMHO.
>
> The existing text is about "AI code generators". However, the "most
> notably LLMs" that follows it could lead readers to believe it's about
> more than just code generation, because LLMs are in fact used for more.
> I figure this is your concern.
>
> We could instead start wide, then narrow the focus to code generation.
> Here's my try:
>
> The increasing prevalence of AI-assisted software development results
> in a number of difficult legal questions and risks for software
> projects, including QEMU. Of particular concern is code generated by
> `Large Language Models
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model>`__ (LLMs).
Documentation we maintain has the same concerns as code.
So I'd suggest to substitute 'code' with 'code / content'.
> If we want to mention uses of AI we consider okay, I'd do so further
> down, to not distract from the main point here. Perhaps:
>
> The QEMU project thus requires that contributors refrain from using AI code
> generators on patches intended to be submitted to the project, and will
> decline any contribution if use of AI is either known or suspected.
>
> This policy does not apply to other uses of AI, such as researching APIs or
> algorithms, static analysis, or debugging.
>
> Examples of tools impacted by this policy includes both GitHub's CoPilot,
> OpenAI's ChatGPT, and Meta's Code Llama, amongst many others which are less
> well known.
>
> The paragraph in the middle is new, the other two are unchanged.
>
> Thoughts?
IMHO its redundant, as the policy is expressly around contribution of
code/content, and those activities as not contribution related, so
outside the scope already.
>
> >> +to, `Large Language Models
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model>`__
> >> +(LLMs) results in a number of difficult legal questions and risks for
> >> software
> >> +projects, including QEMU.
>
> Thanks!
>
> [...]
>
With regards,
Daniel
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Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators, Markus Armbruster, 2025/06/04
Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators, Daniel P . Berrangé, 2025/06/04
Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators, Markus Armbruster, 2025/06/04
Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators, Yan Vugenfirer, 2025/06/04
Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators, Daniel P . Berrangé, 2025/06/04
Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators, Stefan Hajnoczi, 2025/06/04