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Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU m
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Stefano Lattarini |
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Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make? |
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Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:05:18 +0100 |
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Hi Bob.
On Tuesday 22 November 2011, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2011, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >
> >> Another question is if GNU make is really good enough to warrant this
> >> sort of change.
> > Good point - gmake has a long history of "hickups" :-)
>
> My question was not meant to imply that GNU make is riddled with bugs.
> My question is if deciding to move to a tool which optimizes 30+ year
> old build concepts is a good idea.
>
> Automake is a good build system because it provides a simple syntax by
> which the developer can specify his intention.
>
> Any analysis of the build for large projects will show that
> timestamp-based 'make' and recursion lead to huge losses in build
> performance and build integrity.
>
> Build dependencies and knowledge of the current build state are not
> adequately handled by timestamp-based 'make', even if it is GNU make.
>
> Software builds will only grow larger. It is time for some innovative
> thinking.
>
I have to drop the ball on this, because I don't feel qualified nor
motivated enough to follow you on this road (especially not qualified
enough).
Also, if a non-negligible percentage of peoples have problems accepting
even just GNU make as a requirement over plain vendor make, I'm not sure
how your theoretical new-generation build tools would be greeted in
practice.
All of this is not to belittle your idea, that should be clear -- it's
just that IMHO it sounds quite ortoghonal to the ongoing discussion.
Regards,
Stefano
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, (continued)
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Dave Hart, 2011/11/23
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Harlan Stenn, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Warren Young, 2011/11/23
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Stefano Lattarini, 2011/11/23
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Paul Smith, 2011/11/23
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Bob Friesenhahn, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?,
Stefano Lattarini <=
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Ralf Corsepius, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Bob Friesenhahn, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Warren Young, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Reuben Thomas, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Warren Young, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Nick Bowler, 2011/11/23
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Dave Hart, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Stefano Lattarini, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Paolo Bonzini, 2011/11/22
- Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?, Stefano Lattarini, 2011/11/22