Re: bug#65659: RFC: changing printf(1) behavior on %b

[Eric Blake]

On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 07:19:13AM +0200, Phi Debian wrote:
> Well after reading yet another thread regarding libc_printf() I got to
> admit that even %B is crossed out, (Yet already choosen by ksh93)
> 
> The other thread also speak about libc_printf() documentting %# as
> undefined for things other than  a, A, e, E, f, F, g, and G, yet the same
> thread also talk about a A comming late (citing C99) in the dance, meaning
> what is undefined today become defined tomorow, so %#b is no safer.
>

Caution: The proposal here is for %#s (an alternative string), not %#b
(which C2x wants to be similar to %#x, in that it outputs a '0b'
prefix for all values except bare '0').

Yes, there is a slight risk that C may decide to define %#s.  But as
the Austin Group includes a member of WG14, we are able to advise the
C committee that such an addition is not wise.

> My guess is that printf(1) is now doomed to follow its route, keep its old
> format exception, and then may be implement something like c_printf like
> printf but the format string follow libc semantic, or may be a -C option to
> printf(1)...

Adding an option to printf is also a possibility, if there is
wide-spread implementation practice to standardize.  If someone wants
to implement 'printf -C' right now, that could help feed such a future
standardization.  But it is somewhat orthogonal to the request in this
thread, which is how to allow users to still access the old %b
behavior even if %b gets repurposed in the future; if we can get
multiple implementations to add a %#s alias now, it makes the future
decisions easier (even if it is too late for Issue 8 to add any new
features, or for that matter, to make any normative changes other than
marking %b obsolescent as a way to be able to revisit it in the future
for Issue 9).


> 
> Well in all case %b can not change semantic in the bash script, since it is
> there for so long, even if it depart from python, perl, libc, it is
> unfortunate but that's the way it is, nobody want a semantic change, and on
> next routers update, see the all internet falling appart :-)

How many scripts in the wild actually use %b, though?  And if there
are such scripts, anything we can do to make it easy to do a drop-in
replacement that still preserves the old behavior (such as changing %b
to %#s) is going to be easier to audit than the only other
currently-portable alternative of actually analyzing the string to see
if it uses any octal or \c escapes that have to be re-written to
portably function as a printf format argument.

POSIX is not mandating %#s at this time, so much as suggesting that if
implementations are willing to implement it now, it will make Issue 9
easier to reason about.

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Eric Blake, Principal Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc.
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