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Re: Paragraph indentation suppression


From: Stepan Kasal
Subject: Re: Paragraph indentation suppression
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:37:45 +0200
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Hello,

On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 05:00:46AM -0400, Simon Law wrote:
>       Well, not _my_ tradition.  In my tradition, we right from top to
> bottom, right column to left.  But that doesn't seem to be within
> Texinfo's abilities right now.

:-)  Oh nice!  I beleive my Father writes His personal notes this way.

> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 08:36:43AM +0200, Stepan Kasal wrote:
> > I have never noticed this as I have never considered texinfo a
> > typographic system: I have always considered it only a tag system.
> 
>       Really?  I have always considered DocBook to be a more painful
> Texinfo system.  (Much like I see XSL-FO as a more painful LaTeX.)  I
> guess I'm just old-fashioned that way.

I don't know DocBook.  I only meant that I considered output from plain
TeX to be a book while the output from texinfo was a manual.  And I
haven't judged the "manuals" with the high typographic purity, as I do
for "books."

> > The default should have either \parindent or \parskip, but not both.

>       I think it is fine.  TeX output has a small \parskip, but we

I think the \parskip should be 0 for TeX (printed) output.
The current combination is unfortunate.

The HTML and info output should probably have "parskip" nonzero as this
increases readability.
I'd set "parindent" = 0  for these two output formats but I'm not sure.

> @ifinfo
> @paragraphindent none
> @end ifinfo

Sure it can be done.  I was just speaking about how the defaults should
look like.

>       No need to fight.  If you are already writing a foreign
> language, just use '@firstparagraphindent insert' since there is no need
> to change it.

One command per book.  You are right, my comment was silly, sorry.

> > But I agree that the cmdline option is not necessary.  I'd prefer having
> > different defaults for different languages: for Czech and Slovak
> > languages, I'd like to have first paragraphs indented, and I'd like
> > to have \parskip=0.
> 
>       Hmm.  I think that when we do internationalisation, this will be
> something to consider.  Perhaps you will even write the code for it!

No, sorry.  I don't like translated computer manuals.
I've seen too many bad translations.

If someone does this, I'll tell him what the Czech typographcal rules
look like.  If someone is going to produce a Czech manual in texinfo,
I'd perhaps help him.  But as it stands, I'm not interested.

Would you prefer the Hebrew translation of Bison or GCC manual, if it was
available?

Have a nice day,
        Stepan




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