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Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Williams: "it's time to drop the GPL"
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Alexander Terekhov |
Subject: |
Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Williams: "it's time to drop the GPL" |
Date: |
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:59:07 +0200 |
Joshua David Williams wrote:
>
> On 6/17/07, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> > Everybody else just cares about the legal reasons.
>
> > The "legal terms" is the only reason a license *exists*. That's what a
> > license *is*, for crying out loud!
>
> > If you don't care about the legal side, go and read the free software
> > manifesto. That's the paper you're really arguing about.
>
> > If you want to argue about the GPLv2 *license*, then you'd better start
> > caring about the legal issues. Because that is what the license is: a
> > _legal_ document.
>
> IMHO, free and open source software seem to differ on one key point:
>
> The Open Source Definition wrote:
>
> > 9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software
> >
> > The license must not place restrictions on other software that
> > is distributed along with the licensed software. For example,
> > the license must not insist that all other programs distributed
> > on the same medium must be open-source software.
> >
> > Rationale: Distributors of open-source software have the right
> > to make their own choices about their own software.
>
> > Yes, the GPL is conformant with this requirement. Software linked
> > with GPLed libraries only inherits the GPL if it forms a single work,
> > not any software with which they are merely distributed.
>
> The way I understand it, programs licensed under the GPLv3 are *not* open
> source software. FSF is so caught up in their own agenda that they're
> forgetting the whole point - the freedom of choice. The GPLv2 may
> be "conformant with this requirement", but it goes against the ethics of the
> FSF, so we can't expect each new version of the GPL to comply to this right.
>
> Attacking this so-called "tivozation", IMO, finally draws a distinct line
> between "free" and "open source". We, as open source developers, are not
> politicians or philosophers; we write software, and we wish to publish our
> code under a certain set of ten rights.
>
> Yes, the GPL is a legal document, but it was written in order to compliment
> the GNU Manifesto by setting legal parameters for which they could publish
> their code under.
>
> Until now, the GPL (v2) has had the same *legal* paramaters the open source
> developers need in order to do the job we need it to do. We have clearly went
> our separate ways now, so I think it's time to drop the GPL. (See my other
> thread about writing an open source license.)
>
> Anyways, that's my $0.02.
>
> --
regards,
alexander.
--
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