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Re: "My dad is a pirate."
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Banty |
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Re: "My dad is a pirate." |
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22 Feb 2008 14:57:09 -0800 |
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In article <13rui7ilqmgq4d0@news.supernews.com>, El Tux says...
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>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:19:37 +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>
>> El Tux wrote:
>>
>> [... Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207 (1985) ...]
>>
>>
>> Oh dear El Tux, that (1985) was long before December 16, 1997, when
>> President Clinton signed HR 2265 -- the No Electronic Theft Act -- into
>> law.
>
>Dear Alexander, that doesn't matter in the least because we're
>discussing concepts here, not legal definitions which, BTW, tend to
>use common words in uncommon ways. The poster cited a USSC judge's
>comment to support the *concept* that file-sharing is stealing, and I
>quoted another to show that not all USSC judges share the same
>view. Simple black-and-white cases rarely make it to the USSC so it's
>commonplace for the justices to disagree with each other. One can find
>a quote to support either side of just about anything that's been
>brought before the Supreme Court.
Your quoting a 1985 case on it, though, is akin to quoting traffic rules
designed to keep horses from being frightened, in a 2008 auto traffic
discussion. Completely different time, completely different concerns. In 1985
there was not an internet or other medium that enabled mega-copying that would
drive the market cost of any creation that can be expressed in bits, to nearly
zero.
>
>As for the No Electronic Theft Act and the later DMCA, voters never
>asked for either. Those were all but written by the music and movie
>industries and rushed through by their pet politicians. I do not
>believe these laws represent the will of the American people and
>neither, apparently, do most of the American people.
Are you so sure about that? Once you leave your cozy abode in the linux groups,
whoa - looky, people are arguing with you!! Maybe you need to get out more.
The congress that passed that law are those elected by you and me in a
representative democracy.
>The rather high
>percentage of the population that's engaged in file-sharing,
A certain segment does that simply because it's free and easy.
>the
>surging sales in portable media players capable of holding ten times
>more music than the average American buys in a lifetime, the high
>demand for terabyte hard drives, and the strong demand for ever-faster
>broadband all suggest that if we put it to the voters, they would
>repeal the DMCA and NETA, explicitly legalize file-sharing, and
>probably make some other long-needed changes in copyright law to
>restore its original purpose of stimulating artistic and scientific
>creativity.
>
>If you want people to respect the law, then they must first be able to
>respect the process that created it.
If you want to change the law, use that process to change it. But the hitch is
- you'll have to make convincing arguments, not just point to how many
file-copying buddies you have. I think that's what grieves ya.
Banty
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", (continued)
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", El Tux, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Alexander Terekhov, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Banty, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", El Tux, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Billy Ray Balzak, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", spike1, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", El Tux, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Linonut, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Alexander Terekhov, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", El Tux, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.",
Banty <=
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", El Tux, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Alexander Terekhov, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", El Tux, 2008/02/23
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Billy Ray Balzak, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", stan, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Linonut, 2008/02/22
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- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Linonut, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", spike1, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Peter Köhlmann, 2008/02/22
- Re: "My dad is a pirate.", Hadron, 2008/02/22