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Re: Free Software and the New Sexism
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Jacob Bachmeyer |
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Re: Free Software and the New Sexism |
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Mon, 28 Aug 2023 23:54:03 -0500 |
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Adam Spiers wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 at 05:40, Jacob Bachmeyer <jcb62281@gmail.com> wrote:
The fundamental problem here is that all of the issues these CoC
documents are supposed to address are entirely off-topic and
inappropriate in a software development context. Sexism, racism,
whatever-ism-of-the-day are all irrelevant because discussions are
supposed to focus on the /software/ instead of on the /people/
writing the software. Yes, your patch proposing to add "sex" to
Guix's CoC was wrong, but the CoC itself is wrong in the same way as
your patch: none of those issues are relevant.
Put another way, on the Internet, to other users, you are not a
person, you are a stream of messages. More idealistically, on the
Internet, /you/ /are/ /your/ /ideas/.
There is something wonderfully aspirational about this utopian and
well-intentioned approach.
Thank you.
[...] In fact, there is overwhelming evidence that moving
communication online tends to /increase/ unkind behaviour and
therefore the need for kindness and communication guidelines.
Ah yes, the G.I.F.T. problem.
[...] Communication guidelines can help prevent unnecessary
fragmentation.
This is exactly why "stay on topic" solves so many of these problems.
The topic is the software we are developing, not each other, and not
what so-and-so did last summer.
Efforts to thwart that, efforts to carry real-world baggage into the
Internet space, are, put simply, /wrong/
Maybe that is true for deliberate efforts, but given that it is
impossible for human beings to entirely divorce themselves from their
baggage in the Internet space, realistically we need systems for
dealing with it.
The crux of this particular debate seems to be whether it is possible
to support one group of people without discriminating against another.
The solution here is /neutrality/---we are not here to support or harm
anyone (granted, we work to erode the immorally-acquired power bases of
software hoarders) but to develop Free Software.
Personally I think it /should/ be, /regardless/ of the group(s) in
question, and that doing that should obviate or at least minimise any
conflict. Indeed, that is why I like the neutral words "any other
demographic characteristics" in the first sentence of the GNU Kind
Communications Guidelines:
"The GNU Project encourages contributions from anyone who wishes
to advance the development of the GNU system, regardless of [...]
any other demographic characteristics"
Perhaps it would have been better if the "[...]" words I trimmed were
not present and it just read "regardless of any demographic
characteristics", because there is an argument that mentioning certain
demographic distinctions may introduce biases against other
distinctions not mentioned.
I think that the examples given help to clarify "demographic
characteristics", which is a very vague term on its own.
[...] Please let's all just be kind to each other and assume good faith?
While assuming good faith is certainly helpful, sometimes that
assumption is contradicted by evidence. (An example comes to mind that
occurred on this list a few years ago.)
-- Jacob
- Re: Free Software and the New Sexism, (continued)
Re: Free Software and the New Sexism, DJ Delorie, 2023/08/27
Re: Free Software and the New Sexism, dick, 2023/08/27
Re: Free Software and the New Sexism, Jacob Bachmeyer, 2023/08/28
Re: Free Software and the New Sexism, Parodper, 2023/08/28