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RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
From: |
vincent |
Subject: |
RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs |
Date: |
Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:45:03 +0100 |
Hi
The solution I went for was to buy Learning GNU Emacs 3rd Edition, Cameron
et al, pub O'Reilly.
ISBN 0-596-00648-9
Hope this helps
Vincent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden
> Behalf Of address@hidden
> Sent: 07 July 2006 18:33
> To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> Cc: address@hidden
> Subject: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
>
>
>
> hello all,
>
> because i started the discussion i am feeling constrained to
> say some words to the discussion with the background of an
> emacs beginner.
> first of all my motivation. the last years i worked with
> ultraedit and was quite content. then i changed my job and
> ultraedit wasn't available any more. i didn't want to write
> a requst for buying software and so i searched with google
> for an advanced open source editor which was capable of
> editing columns.
> i wasn't the first with that problem and nearly all answers i
> found in different discussion groups pointed to emacs. as an
> old friend of open source software i knew emacs and his
> history but i didn't dare until yet to use it becaues all
> people i know said its so complicated and time consuming to learn it.
> next i went to the emacs homepage and downloaded the
> win32-binaries and installed it. Looking for help i was a
> little bit confused about the many links and headlines below
> the point Getting Help with GNU Emacs.
> next i looked at the help menu. Glad to see the point
> tutorial i started to work through and after a few hours i
> was ready to start. but now i was faced with typical editing
> problems. for example i wanted to move a paragraph from one
> point in the document to the other. in ultraedit (or notepad
> or proton or ...) a quite simple task: (text marking with the
> mouse C-x C-v). in emacs at the first look a little bit more
> complicated or at least unfamiliar to me. i didn't found such
> an example in the emacs manual and it took quite a time to
> find one with google. next i wanted to delete all empty
> lines, search and replace strings and so on, typical edit tasks
> at least i bought the book learning ggnu emacs and after a
> while i read somewhere maybe in the book maybe in the
> internet that its better to open every file in the same
> frame. so i came to emacsW32. because i had a problem with
> the installation (my fault, look some emails before) i
> thought a way to solve it would be to edit the .emacs-file.
> again i looked in the manual but i didn't find something. i
> was still a beginner and i didn't know at all that the
> .emacs-file and elisp has the same basics.
> but i stayed stiff-necked and after a lot fo attempts i
> found a solution which worked but i wasn't really content. so
> i wrote to the list and lennard helped me out. but i wanted a
> list of all possible customization commands. the solution
> came from drew adams (M-x customize-apropos-options RET .
> RET). that was i looked for. and after the mails of eli i
> took a second closer look to the manual and now i am quite
> sure that nearly everything about emacs i can find there and
> i am sure with more experience i will use the manual more
> extensively. eli is also right that many internetsites are
> outdated and pointing in the wrong direction. BUT if you are
> a emacs-newbie, at least for me, the manual is very confusing
> maybe because its so powerfull, like emacs itself. at the
> first time all i had needed would be a simple document with
> normal tasks:
>
> 1) installation and configuration (for me especially with windows)
> 2) simple emacs-commandos like described in the tutorial in
> the emacs help menu
> 3) more extensivly examples for typical editing tasks like
> search and replace, copy and paste, rectangle editing, ...and
> so on. only with examples newbies can see the possibilities of emacs
> 4) a few word about the .emacs file and customization
> 5) a glossary with the special emacs terms
> 6) and all that in a separat pdf-document
>
> again, i am sure everything i wrote above is integrated in
> the manual but a newbie has great problems to find it and i
> am sure many potential users give up after a few hours. the
> best would be this pdf-file could be downloaded with the
> emacs-file an a bundle or at least at the same site.
>
> all i wrote above is my personal experience and opinion. but
> i wanted to write it to you all because you are investing so
> much time for such a great project like emacs and the only i
> can do now is to give you some feedback for your work with
> the background of a beginner. i have installed emacs since
> two weeks, i have invested a lot of time, much more time than
> i have ever invested for example to learn ultraedit, but i am
> confident that its an investment for the future and for me
> its also a lot of fun to to discover the possibilities of
> emacs. but i think it would easier to climb on the first
> emacs-hill with a short introduction-document than with the
> emacs bible what the manual in fact is.
>
> thanks to all again for your help and greetings from munich
> christian
>
> p.s. maybe i write for myself such a document if a know more
> about emacs
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden
> Im Auftrag von Eli Zaretskii
> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 11:10
> An: Lennart Borgman
> Cc: address@hidden
> Betreff: Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
>
> > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:40:12 +0200
> > From: Lennart Borgman <address@hidden>
> > CC: address@hidden
> >
> > > What, you mean your advice to use Explorer? I just saved
> you from
> > > RMS's wrath, that's all ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > Firefox please ;-)
>
> Wed all know what most Windows users have on their boxes as
> the default browser.
>
>
>
>
>
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- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, (continued)
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Phil Betts, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/07
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, C.Strobl, 2006/07/07
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs,
vincent <=
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, C.Strobl, 2006/07/07
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/07
- Re: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/08
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Alessandro Vesely, 2006/07/10
- [h-e-w] jump hi-lock next/previous position, Pang.Ding-Hai, 2006/07/10
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/10
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/10
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/10
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/11
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, C.Strobl, 2006/07/11