Re: [Axiom-developer] [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography

[Bob McElrath]

Page, Bill address@hidden wrote:
> Do you mean online access to arXiv.org using "hep-ph/0509024" as
> a search key to retrieve and parse the citation info... I think
> that is ambitious. Are there any web tools for arXiv that make
> this easier?

Yes.

SPIRES: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/ indexes everything on the arXiv,
provides bibtex for it, and forward-tracks the articles into journals.
There are several highly non-trivial way to interrogate its database.

Other services include NASA Abstract service:
    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html
Citebase:
    http://www.citebase.org/cgi-bin/citations?id=oai:arXiv.org:hep-ph/0506151
of course there are others more relevant to other branches of science...

> > I want to make it as easy as possible for people to add a
> > \cite{blah}.
> 
> I think the problem is not the \cite but rather the 'blah' ...
> 'blah' must be a simple, useful and unique identifier of a
> published document. That is not easy in general.

Well we have several terse identifiers that can be recognized:
    hep-ph/0509024      (arxiv.org)
    math.NT/0604263     (arxiv.org)
    McElrath:2005bp     (bibtex entries in the SPIRES database:
             
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/spires/find/hep/www?key=6255744&FORMAT=WWWBRIEFBIBTEX)
    doi:10.1103/PhysRevD.72.103508 (http://scitation.aip.org/jhtml/doi.jsp)
    2006PhRvD..73a5011G (NASA ADS)
I'm sure there are others (ISBN, etc).  These are easy to look up, and a
lot easier to copy than full bibliographic info.  Given any of those I
know how to get the bibtex via an HTTP request, which can be fed to the
Plone Bibliography.  Then a nice citation can be rendered as part of the
wiki page.  See the bottom of http://mcelrath.org/Notes/TODO for an
example of such a rendering.

> > The bibliography is already there (or at least accessable on
> > SPIRES and the arXiv) so all that is needed is for the wiki
> > page to recognize the \cite.
> 
> Parsing static data like 'hep-ph/0509024' into a clickable url
> is easy but extracting and formating citation information is
> rather hard to do in general. That's why we have tools like
> BiBtex and EndNote, etc.

I want to get the info out of the Plone Bibliography, or have the server
interrogate external bibliography servers.

> One thing that I am quite interested in for other reasons is
> a project called DSpace:
> 
> http://dspace.org
> 
> This is an aggressive and rapidly developing project fueled by
> HP, and MIT to produce a free open source digital archive. It
> is very rapidly be adopted by the university research library
> community and I have already set it up a few times for several
> of my clients. It is not so hard to setup for personal use.
> DSpace already provides integration of a local archive with a
> web-wide "handle" server that simplies urls that reference
> archive content and make it possible to move the content with
> out changing the document handle.

interesting...

> Maybe integrating something like this might be worthwhile...
> but beware: This a Java/JSP web application - somewhat different
> world that Zope and Python. ;)

Well just yesterday I was forced to use a Java application, and it
crashed my browser, again.  A few days before that I decided to try
(again) the Java interface to Maple.  UUUGGGHHHH it's slow.  What's
that?  A fork in my eye?  Aaaahhh much better.

--
Cheers,
Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]

    "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country
    democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every
    kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they
    might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one
    meaning." -- George Orwell

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