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Re: [Bug-gnubg] Removal of absolute fibs ratings


From: Albert Silver
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Removal of absolute fibs ratings
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:42:20 -0300

I think it is rather complicated. Admittedly, some doubles with such
an equity difference can seem absurd, but many will leave players very
much in doubt, especially if they are dependent on the score. Here is
an example:

GNU Backgammon  Position ID: 7LYBAGPN3QYgIA
                Match ID   : MAFgAAAAAAAA
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+     O: GNU
|                O |   | O  O  O  X  O  O |     0 points
|                O |   | O  O  O  X  O    |     On roll
|                  |   |    O  O          |
|                  |   |                  |
|                  |   |                  |
^|                  |BAR|                  |     3 point match (Cube: 1)
|                  |   |                  |
|                  |   |                  |
|                  |   |       X          |
|                X | X | X  X  X  X       |
|             O  X | X | X  X  X  X     O |     0 points
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+     X: Albert



Cube analysis
2-ply cubeless equity  +0.3741 (Money:  +0.2537)
  51.93%  29.02%   1.08% -  48.07%   8.47%   0.14%
Cubeful equities:
1. No double            +0.3045
2. Double, pass         +1.0000  ( +0.6955)
3. Double, take         +0.0365  ( -0.2681)
Proper cube action: No double, take (27.8%)

This situation occured in a game of mine, and my opponent sent the
cube. It is a blunder to send, over 0.250, and a larger one to pass. I
had no idea what to do, and analyzed quite some time before taking.
I've analyzed it and understand better, but even if it is in blunder
territory, I don't think that it is so obvious to all, despite the
potential size of the mistake.

Albert


On 9/4/06, Christian Anthon <address@hidden> wrote:
The threshold of 0.25 seemed too large for common sense, far too many
doubles very counted as being close, but also the function was plain
stupid and hard to understand. For example all too-good positions were
counted in for some reason. The threshold could be set back to 0.25
for counting of the doubles, but it would still be difficult to guess
the average relation between the old and current versions of the
function.

Christian.




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