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Re: [Bug-gnubg] Re: Bug-gnubg Digest, Vol 66, Issue 12


From: Thomas A. Moulton
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Re: Bug-gnubg Digest, Vol 66, Issue 12
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:15:43 -0400
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With the new smart phones, do we really need to make any *big* concessions?

My phone is a 200Mhz processor and I have 64MB free.

Also for a full strength opponent if I had to wait a couple of seconds for a move, it is worth it.

tom

Frank Berger wrote:

Hi Misja,

I'm purchasing a new smartphone at the moment and definitely want to have
bgmobile on it too..
I was wondering how the playing strength of bgmobile compares to the desktop version? I mean, does it use the same engine or did you have to make some
concessions to optimize cpu or memory?

With the limited resource of a mobile there were some tradeoffs necessary, so the desktop version plays in another league (2035 according Gnu and the forthcoming 2.6 will be stronger):

- The principal algorithm is the same, but the net is much smaller (40 neurons in the hidden layer instead of 200) but the BGBlitz net (and GnuBG most probably too) is pretty robust when you make the net smaller.

- I use only 1-ply (i.e. 0-ply in GnuBG speak). I guess that a lot of phones are capable of playing 2-ply (1-ply) and I will try this out, probably after BGB 2.6 is out. This will gain 30-40 rating points approx I guess.

- older phones don't have floating point and with the newer (CLDC 1.1) I don't know how fast they are, as floating point stuff isn't the typical domain of a mobile :)) So we used 32-Bit fixed point arithemtik. That leads sometimes to numerical quirks. With bgb2go 1.5 it is now much better, but I'm not sure it won't occure anymore.


I made recently a couple of 3 point matches and put it through GnuBG analyser. The resulting Fibs rating was between 1880 and 1890 IIRC. I don't remember the error rate anymore (5 or so?) and there was one single cube decision that was so weired, it has cost a full point error rate and it was probably a bug (or a numerical quirk). I'll investigate that later. So the bottom line is: No comparison to a desktop, but a pretty good player that is always available.


I hope that answers your question, if not, just drop me a mail

ciao
Frank



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