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Re: [Bug-gnubg] Feature request: Training tool "Randomize first N moves


From: Jonathan Kinsey
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Feature request: Training tool "Randomize first N moves within 0.XXX equity."
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:25:54 +0000

Yes, this was all discussed a while ago, there's a few obvious things that could
be applied (like blots, take points etc).

Like all these things it's a matter of time, realistically things like this are
post v1 (unless someone decides to do them...).

Jon

Michael Depreli wrote:
> You could have "aggressive personality" !
> Defined as maybe if moves are within x equity chose the best one that
> hits a checker.
> Also for cube decisions if volatility>X then double earlier within X
> equity.
>
> Lots of possibilities but I'd be happy just being able to randomize the
> openings and replies.
> That alone would would lead to many different games for practicing.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>> From: address@hidden
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:59:06 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Feature request: Training tool "Randomize
> first N moves within 0.XXX equity."
>> To: address@hidden
>> CC: address@hidden; address@hidden
>>
>> The "personalities" thing would be very interesting IMO:
>>
>> - a small set of predefined personalities (eventually, ability to
>> define custom ones, on chequer play and cube decision)
>>
>> - possibility to chose a given personality or to pick a random
>> one (not disclosed, unless requested).
>>
>> MaX.
>>
>> 2009/10/8 Jonathan Kinsey :
>>> This reminds me of the discussion on "personalities", as the kind of
>>> approach
>>> you suggest could easily fit into the post-evaluation equity adjustments
>>> that
>>> are an easy way to add varied gnu-opponents.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> Michael Depreli wrote:
>>>> I'm sure many users use gnubg simply to play against as self training.
>>>> One issue that for me doesn't help with training is that gnubg will
>>>> obviously always play the same opening move or reply etc in the same
>>>> given position.
>>>> In real life backgammon obviously this isn't the case.
>>>> As a simple example for money gnubg plays 52 13/8 13/11.
>>>> Rollouts show this to be an error, and I'm guessing most humans would
>>>> not play this move the majority of the time.
>>>> Also rollouts have shown many opening plays and replies are very close
>>>> in equity so as not be be considered an error.
>>>>
>>>> My request therefore is to have an option to randomize the first N
> moves
>>>> within equity X.
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest something like a move filter:
>>>>
>>>> E.g. Randomize first N moves within X plus additional N moves within Y.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully I'm not the only user that would find this feature useful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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