RE: [Discuss-gnuradio] Re: GNU.ORG mailserver blacklisted by spamcom

[Gregg C Levine]

Hello from Gregg C Levine
Eric, Berndt, I also am involved in how the lists run. See I'm not
just a member of several lists I also manage some of the day to day
activities of the one for Bug-Grub. 

And you are right Eric. If someone from our list were to contact
Bug-Grub to offer a complaint that his GNU/Linux system that uses GRUB
to boot it is not working correctly. Then naturally things would
happen exactly as you describe. In all probability I would indeed
allow it to be posted. I do as a matter of fact do exactly what you've
described to specific individuals who're deliberately sending
materials to Bug-Grub and their e-mail headers do look legitimate.
Naturally since these clueless <Expletive deleted. Fill it in on your
own!> would just continue to send it out, I then set the mailman
manager screen to drop the message into the bit-bucket. 

And it happens that I do agree with these policies as you have stated
them Eric. 

Spamcop should realize that they are blackballing an intelligent list
server rather then a known server of junk mail by now. By the way? Who
do we contact at that outfit to remind them of this? (Don't answer, it
was a rhetorical question.)

However I have no problem with receiving e-mail from the lists to my
GMail account or to my AT&T accounts.
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(Sent from my regular e-mail client to my GMail address.)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden On
Behalf
> Of Eric Blossom
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: Berndt Josef Wulf
> Cc: address@hidden
> Subject: [Discuss-gnuradio] Re: GNU.ORG mailserver blacklisted by
spamcom
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 10:24:15AM +1030, Berndt Josef Wulf wrote:
> > G'day Eric,
> >
> > gnu.org mailserver is still blacklisted by spamcop and gnuradio
isn't the only
> > mailing list effected. as a matter of fact, there are hundreds of
subscribed
> > users of the long list of mailing lists that are distributed via
gnu.org.
> >
> > Is gnu.org doing something about it? As it stands now, mailservers
around the
> > globe using spamcop will refuse to process mail orginating from
gnu.org.
> >
> > cheerio Berndt
> 
> [I've copied this to the list, since it's of general interest.]
> 
> Yes, I understand that spamcop is blacklisting all of them.  (It
> blacklists the IP address of the server.)
> 
> I have talked to the lists administrator at gnu.org.  The reason
that
> lists.gnu.org is blacklisted is that mailman sends a message back to
> the sending address if the sender is not subscribed to the list,
> saying "only subscribers can post".  This behavior is considered
"bad"
> by spamcop, and they are unwilling to change their policy.  From our
> side, sending the message seems *much* more friendly than just
> dropping the message.  This avoids quiet failures, etc.
> 
> Spamcop is unlikely to change their policy, and we're unlikely to
> change what we consider reasonable behavior.  You will have to talk
to
> your ISP and tell them to stop believing everything spamcop says, or
> whitelist lists.gnu.org, or something.  If that doesn't work, you
may
> want to "vote with your feet" and pick another ISP, or run your own
> mailserver so you're not at the mercy of "somebody else's good
idea".
> Do you really want somebody else bouncing mail on your behalf?
> Tagging the mail would be much less offensive, and then you could
> either pay attention to the tag or not.  As is, "Big Brother" is
> filtering mail for you.
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
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