RE: Proposition for a Gorm feature Was: Gorm too complex ?

[Peron, Stéphane]

Hi !

Why not creating a converter ? :
an application that could convert a .gorm file in objective c files (.[mh] )
?

What do you think about ?

Stef




> > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:07:33 +0000
> > From: Richard Frith-Macdonald <richard@brainstorm.co.uk>
> > 
> > On Monday, February 11, 2002, at 08:41 PM, Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: "Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf" <Lars.Sonchocky-Helldorf@bbdo-
> > >> interone.de>
> > >> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:34:29 +0100
> > >>
> > >> No! Why: because hardcoded Interfaces might look ugly or be rendered
> > >> unusuable on different Plattforms (that is in this case GNUstep and 
> > >> Cocoa)
> > >> I can show you some screenshots of GWorkspace on Cocoa that look
> really
> > >> ugly (no Mac User would accept this). What you can do in such a 
> > >> situation
> > >> is ifdefing the geometrics or have a .nib file for Cocoa and a .gorm
> or
> > >> .gmodel for GNUstep. Guess which solution is easier maintainable. 
> > >> (even if
> > >> converting nibs is a pain in the ass)
> > >>
> > >> Greetings, Lars
> > >
> > > He he ! Right.
> > >
> > > But  that's  one  more  problem  you have  with  InterfaceBuilder  and
> > > Gorm. They store fixed coordinates in their NIB or gorm files.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, in my "hardcoded" interfaces, I make liberal use of
> > > sizeToFit: and other automatic layout techniques.
> > >
> > > In the  end, it's less work because  I don't have to  do anything just
> > > because some traducer added a  new localized strings file. As you have
> > > it currently  with Gorm  and Interface builder,  you need to  tune the
> > > interface even in that case. Too much work for me.
> > 
> > I've always found that interfaces produced that way look pretty poor -
> > you still need to hand-tune after localisation to get decent appearance.
> > 
> > Also, it's not the case that you need to re-do nibs for different 
> > languages
> > all that much ... it's really just the same sort of tweaking either way.
> > 
> > The real difference is that with sizeToFit type schemes, you can get
> > something *less* ugly when you do no work, not that you get something 
> > good.
> > 
> > So I agree that it's good if you want to be lazy, but I wouldn't want to
> > be *that* lazy - and by going down the sourcecode route you are throwing
> > away an awful lot of big advantages for the sake of being able to put
> > no work into one area.
> 
> 
> That's worse than that. Not only I  don't want to have to edit NIBs or
> GORMs by hand,  but I want to generate  the user interface dynamically
> on the fly.
> 
> For example, when  accessing databases with EOF, I  don't want to have
> to define  myself the user interface,  but have the  software build it
> (selecting between  text, popup, check box, drag  areas, whatever, and
> even grouping boxes, depending on the data at hand).
> 
> Ok, I guess we can stop here, it's no more on topic with Gorm.
> 
> 
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