Re: Interface WM [Was: RE: Window managers and GNUstep]

[Erik Dalen]

What about this one mentioned here earlier:

http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/woom/

Two GNUstep windowmanagers would be overkill, but I'd definitely like to
see one at least. But I suppose WindowMaker with GNUstep instead of WINGs
would come pretty close.

/Erik

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Mondragon, Ian wrote:

> i just started rewriting my own objc window manager, Interface, last week &
> began debugging it last night.  i had been offering the source for a *very*
> volatile & buggy version of it a loooooong time ago (even had a
> *screenshot*...hahaha), but some problems with my dsl company killed my web
> site for a while & i haven't reposted the source.  the older version was an
> objc rewrite of AEWM...i've rewritten it to incorporate stuff from alloywm
> (mainly more usable titlebars & such).  i started playing around with an
> NSWindow extention to handle the titlebars a while ago (to create a more
> *pure* GNUstep window manager), but never finished it.  right now i'm just
> concerned about getting Interface to a more stable point.
>
> i'll re-create a page on my website (http://www.dragonhelix.org) tonight
> specifically for Interface.
>
> - ian
>
> ps - please cc me at < copal @ dragonhelix.org > with any
> comments/questions/suggestions.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Pascal Bourguignon [SMTP:pjb@informatimago.com]
> > Sent:       Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:10 AM
> > To: anstouh@yahoo.com.au
> > Cc: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
> > Subject:    Re: Window managers and GNUstep
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: <anstouh@yahoo.com.au>
> > >
> > > Both AfterStep and GNU Window Maker make a reference to GNUstep on their
> > > webpages but neither use GNUstep (although they both store user data in
> > > ~/GNUstep). GWorkspace seems to have support for things normally left to
> > > window managers (a root menu, application launching stuff and the
> > process
> > > list stuff).
> > >
> > > I was wondering if there was going to be a GNUstep window manager?
> >
> > "May be".
> >
> > It would  be meaningfull in  a pure GNUstep environment,  perhaps like
> > SimplyGNUstep.
> >
> >
> > > Is that what GWorkspace is supposed to be in the end?
> >
> > One  thing that  must be  understood, is  that window  manager is  a X
> > notion. When GNUstep is (will be?) running with other back-ends, there
> > would be no window manager.
> >
> > GWorkspace is not a window manager,  it's a mainly a file browser. You
> > can think of  it as a GUI  shell. The only feature it  should take off
> > from WindowMaker is the dock.
> >
> > If there was no WindowMaker to  draw the window frame (title bar, grow
> > bar), it would be the job of the NSWindow class to draw this stuff. In
> > the case of GNUstep menus, it's  actually done by the NSMenu class (or
> > one class that is hidden behind  NSMenu, I've not looked at the actual
> > implementation), because WindowMaker does  not provide exactly what is
> > needed for NeXTSTEP-like application menus.
> >
> > In NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP,  the NSWindow class implements  the window frame
> > drawing,  while leaving  a  few things  to  the windowPackage.ps  like
> > moving the  window, so  it can  be done even  when the  application is
> > suspended.
> >
> > Now, if the NSWindow class  implemented this window frame drawing code
> > (and dragging/resizing of the windows),  we could use a minimal window
> > manager or even do without any window manager.
> >
> > BUT, the reason a window manager such as Window Maker is needed anyway
> > in a X environment, is to be  able to run other X applications with at
> > least windows looking like on NeXTSTEP.
> >
> >
> > > GNU Window Maker seems to
> > > have some level of GNUstepity in it---a GNUstep application's appicon,
> > for
> > > example, shows the main menu when you right-click it. Is it intended
> > that
> > > GNU Window Maker be made to use GNUstep? (I don't know, some sort of
> > merge
> > > between WINGs and GNUstep... although I guess WINGs will no longer be
> > > NGs then.)
> >
> > Putting the window  frame drawing in NSWindow, while  clean, would not
> > remove the need to have it at the window manager level for the other X
> > applications. Then  what would  be the use  to rewrite  WindowMaker in
> > Objective-C with GNUstep? Note  that even on NeXT, windowPackage.ps is
> > not written in Objective-C but in Postscript.
> >
> > The menu shown with right click  on a WindowMaker appicon is not "the"
> > main menu. It's  a menu managed by WindowMaker,  (Keep on top, Launch,
> > Bring Here, Hide, Setting..., Kill).
> >
> > The menu shown with right click  on a GNUstep appicon is the main menu
> > of this application.
> >
> > Once  again, the  use of  WindowMaker here  is to  provide functionaly
> > needed to run  X applications. It had had to be  modified to have good
> > integration with GNUstep applications,  and things will probably still
> > evolve.
> >
> >
> > > Mostly, I like GNU Window Maker. There are some things about it---for a
> > > start, it doesn't have an identical look and feel---that I'm not too
> > fond
> >
> > By default yes, I don't like it either. But you can revert to good old
> > NeXTSTEP look with WPref.app (eight pane, Titlebar Style).
> >
> >
> > > of, and things like how GWorkspace has the fiend and GNU Window Maker
> > has
> > > the clip. I wouldn't mind seeing the two brought together (although they
> > > don't necessarily have to be the same application, they could just work
> > > together.)
> > >
> > > Tristan
> >
> >
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