Re: project goal Re: Release schedule

[Jeff Teunissen]

"Philippe C.D.Robert" wrote:

> On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 10:33 PM, Helge Hess wrote:

[snip]

> > It has made a lot of progress regarding completeness of just the
> > implementation of just the GUI library. There is still little testing
> > by application level developers and even less testing by application
> > users.
> 
> That's true unfortunately. Personally I notice that I get almost no
> feedback wrt ProjectCenter (nor any other app I wrote). Now either they
> are perfect (...) or nobody uses them really, I guess it is the
> latter... :-| The question now is how can we change that and/or who can
> help us with this?

Personally, I don't think there is anything that could be done to make me
use PC. I'm not saying that PC is bad, but from my perspective it doesn't
fill a need that exists. I say the same thing about PB on OPENSTEP, by the
way.

As for the statement that there's little testing being done, that is not
true, but you wouldn't know it by looking here. Most of the GNUstep app
developers use IRC to communicate this stuff, and wait for somebody with
write access to show up in the channel to get our bug fixes into the
libraries.

Exploring the new text system and getting it working with a sample
OPENSTEP app (TextEdit, which now works almost perfectly), testing of
exactly how NSPopUpButton works, etc. were discussed in #GNUstep before
anything was posted here. With help from the people there, I've discovered
the bug in NSApplication that causes "hide on autolaunch" behaviors to not
work, and that in AppInfo.plist files, NSExtensions isn't supposed to be
an array, but a dictionary:

NSExtensions = {
    arc = {NSIcon = arc.tiff;};
};

NSTypes is the "new style", but that has side effects -- it makes
NSDocumentController think that the app is NSDocument-based (which seems
to be a rather silly bug to me).

[snip]

> > IMHO GNUstep really needs some plan on what to do in what timeframe.
> > If we still talk about OpenStep compatibility in 2010, it's really to
> > late (IMHO it's already to late because other environments are well
> > established and are getting better any year).
> 
> It is IMHO too late for GNUstep to compete with KDE or Gnome, but it is
> (hopefully) not too late for a GNUSTEP/linux or a GNUSTEP/FreeBSD or
> even a GNUSTEP/Hurd (kind of the real successor to OPENSTEP/Mach) :-)

Nonsense. Unlike the proprietary software world, we don't have to worry
much about the other guys.

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