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Re: First Impressions of GNUStep
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Banlu Kemiyatorn |
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Re: First Impressions of GNUStep |
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Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:21:20 +0700 |
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Pascal Bourguignon wrote:
Banlu Kemiyatorn writes:
Once again, I think that behavior (or architecture) of other
environments should not be confused with that of NeXTSTEP/GNUstep, and
I see no reason for GNUstep to be architectured like KDE or GNOME. If
what you want is the look of NeXTSTEP in KDE, it seems to me that you
have it already with WMaker.
I don't care much about the look. I just want a fair state, that at this
fair state, GNUstep applications should work properly on other
environments. And has a plus (hiding,docking,etc) when they operate on
the GNUstep environment. The menu on sloppy focus thingy is another issue.
Oh! This is another kind of problem. To have a GNUstep
implementation over GNOME or over KDE like we would have one over
MS-Windows. I guess it could be resolved with a new backend.
(And here you see the advantage of managing the app icons in the
NSApplication class rather than in an external program: the backend
can map them to the native paradigm (whatever they have in GNOME or
KDE)).
I don't see this advantage clearly. Since it should be possible for a
seperate Dock.app as well to manage appicon exactly the way
NSApplication did, shouldn't it? And it is possible to make 3 versions
of Dock.app (or one with 3 bundles), one for running in GNOME (which
would display dock app right in GNOME panel by wrapping some GNOME
applet code), another for KDE in the same sense and another one for
running in GNUstep)
Only the menu that should be a problem since it isn't so possible to
make it a seperate App? Thus, it should have some benefits to do that,
for instant, it allows custom menu so they can replace it with something
that look exactly like OSX's global menu for example. The problem is
what should happen to the right-click menu, if it is acceptable to have
the next-style menu pop-up or not.
But I'm under the impression that it's quite possible to run GNOME
without any app icon panel or whatever they have. Since it's a
separate program, I'm quite sure I have occasionally run GNOME without
this program being able to run. In addition, when I run KDE or GNOME
programs with WMaker, I don't have that program either.
I think so, thus I don't think any GNOME users will want to remove them
to make GNUstep apps run better. (Did I miss your point?)
Another question would be whether a GNUstep Dock should create an
application icon window for non-GNUstep applications. That's what
WMaker does, not always very successfully I must say.
That's a serious funny problem. Since so with an external Dock.app
program GNUstep application will work fine on any system except WMaker,
or may be one can make another bundle for WMaker too.
/me plays Yuko Ohigashi's "Happy days" and I feel like I want to sleep
now. Hello Alfredo, are you there? ('o')/~
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, (continued)
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, cehardin, 2003/06/15
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Charles Philip Chan, 2003/06/15
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Banlu Kemiyatorn, 2003/06/16
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Charles Philip Chan, 2003/06/17
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Banlu Kemiyatorn, 2003/06/17
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Charles Philip Chan, 2003/06/17
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Banlu Kemiyatorn, 2003/06/17
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Pascal Bourguignon, 2003/06/17
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Banlu Kemiyatorn, 2003/06/18
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Pascal Bourguignon, 2003/06/18
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep,
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- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, MJ Ray, 2003/06/17
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Banlu Kemiyatorn, 2003/06/17
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Pascal Bourguignon, 2003/06/17
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Eric Christopherson, 2003/06/21
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Charles Philip Chan, 2003/06/21
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- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, MJ Ray, 2003/06/23
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Eric Christopherson, 2003/06/23
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, cehardin, 2003/06/20
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Banlu Kemiyatorn, 2003/06/23
- Re: First Impressions of GNUStep, Alexey I. Froloff, 2003/06/18