Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

[Riccardo Mottola]

Hi,
> In my opinion GNUstep has to stop this it's just a development environment 
> thing and develop a desktop environment where GNUstep applications do not look 
> totaly out of place. GNUstep probably can't compete with KDE or GNOME but why 
> shouldn't it be possible to compete with something like XFCE or Equinox or one 
> of the other smaller OSS desktop environments. I think GNUstep needs to be 
> more attractive to KDE / GNOME / MacOS X. In my opinion these are the people 
> most likely to use GNUstep and if GNUstep attracts more users it will 
> automatically get more developers.
>
>   
Well, although I would not write that, I think it is about correct. I 
got angry and almost livid when Gregory started pointing out that.

We are a development environment. And a good one. But we are not "just 
that".

On the other hand, GNUstep is not a Desktop Environment (I like it to 
call it a Workspace). It should never be. Other projects can fill that 
gap building up on GNUstep. Not by a total change the GNUstep 
Application Project shortens to "GAP".

As you compare GTK and GNOME or GTK and XCFEl, that is gnustep. GNUstep 
is a bit more than just GTK, it has also the developer tools and some 
reference applications like SystemPreferences and GWorkspace, which are 
totally optional!

SO you can use GNUstep with Etoile and get complete Desktop Environment.

On the other hand, GAP tries about the same. But since some applications 
like the windowmanager exist (WindowMaker) it leverages on them (also to 
retain easy compatibility with other X11 apps you currently use a lot 
but will always, in a lesser degree, need to use: be it a Browser, an 
Office Suite or just Skye).

GNUstep + Windowmaker + GAP

I do not exactly, other people can stand up, but the Backbone project 
has about the same idea.

Of course each project has different philosphies, exaclty like XFce is 
different from GNOME.  It also means that you can run a standard GNustep 
applicaiton inside Etoile.

Riccardo