Re: Plans for ahead

[Gregory Casamento]

Additionally, we have fine development apps and the beginnings of the
other things.  I also have some pretty good ideas about how to
implement a browser and browser framework.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Gregory Casamento
<greg.casamento@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tito,
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Tito Mari Francis Escaño
> <titomarifrancis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Based on the flow of the thread, the discussion is basically going around:
>> 1. Usability
>> 2. Themability
>> 3. More applications
>>
>> For usability, I would like to raise my question: what's with Etoile?
>> Is it already dead? I think there were many advances made within
>> Etoile that would be very valuable to the GNUstep system. I think the
>> usability issue is more around the user perception of the window
>> manager. If anybody wants to replace it, I suggest the look and feel
>> of the classic Mac and BeOS.
>
> Etoile isn't dead, see David's answer.   But on this point I would
> like to add that I believe that GNUstep needs a dedicated desktop
> project.  Whether this is part of GNUstep itself or not.  It needs to
> be an official desktop.
>
>> On themability, I think the look and feel of GNUstep is what makes
>> GNUstep what it is, hate it or love it. I think the problem is more on
>> having a desktop environment with more GNUstep-native applications,
>> including but not limited to web browser, office suite and development
>> tools.
>
> Heh.  GNUstep's look is UGLY.   The fact that I was a developer on
> NeXT machines 20 years ago and that I am the maintainer should add
> some weight to my opinion.  People are turned off by the default look
> of the framework out of the box.  Period.   As for a desktop
> environment, I answered that above.   Apps will come if we make our
> framework attractive and enticing enough for people to actually want
> to use it.  Yes, we have to have enough apps to attract users as well,
> so it's a circular relationship, but thus far the ugly out of the box
> look has done nothing but bring us grief.
>
>> On having more applications, I think the core and support libraries
>> should be guaranteed stable and mature APIs. The Etoile-provided
>> reference applications are awesome and would highlight the power and
>> flexibility of the core GNUstep that can only be envied by other
>> desktop environments.
>
> Indeed.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:47 PM, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Window maker doesn't play well with GNUstep...It only works if you want to
>>> use GNUstep as a Next desktop environment. When running with Windows
>>> menustyle or Macintosh menustyle it's completely broken. GNUstep needs a
>>> GNUstep window manager which will allow you to switch between those menu
>>> styles in a sane and consistent manner.
>>>
>>> On 2 December 2015 at 23:42, Svetlana A. Tkachenko
>>> <svetlana@members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Window maker sucks, it does not play nice with gnome/kde apps, its too
>>>> > outdated I guess it does not follow the open desktop standards..
>>>>
>>>> I do not know about standards, but wmaker has been the nicest window
>>>> manager I used thus far. I do not want to put effort into changing it
>>>> just for the sake of singing along with gnome or kde nicely. I wrote a
>>>> new thread on this list about this question.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Svetlana A. Tkachenko
>>>> Member of the Free Software Foundation
>>>> www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org www.freenode.net
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> Gregory Casamento
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