Re: Plans for ahead

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 03.12.2015 um 16:16 schrieb Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com>:

> Additionally, we have fine development apps and the beginnings of the
> other things.  I also have some pretty good ideas about how to
> implement a browser and browser framework.

just for the records because it might look like a green field:

we have a browser and a browser framework for quite a while.

But currently nobody is working on them:

http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/showdetail.php?app=8
http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/SimpleWebKit

BR,
Nikolaus

> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Gregory Casamento
> <greg.casamento@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tito,
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Tito Mari Francis Escaño
>> <titomarifrancis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Based on the flow of the thread, the discussion is basically going around:
>>> 1. Usability
>>> 2. Themability
>>> 3. More applications
>>> 
>>> For usability, I would like to raise my question: what's with Etoile?
>>> Is it already dead? I think there were many advances made within
>>> Etoile that would be very valuable to the GNUstep system. I think the
>>> usability issue is more around the user perception of the window
>>> manager. If anybody wants to replace it, I suggest the look and feel
>>> of the classic Mac and BeOS.
>> 
>> Etoile isn't dead, see David's answer.   But on this point I would
>> like to add that I believe that GNUstep needs a dedicated desktop
>> project.  Whether this is part of GNUstep itself or not.  It needs to
>> be an official desktop.
>> 
>>> On themability, I think the look and feel of GNUstep is what makes
>>> GNUstep what it is, hate it or love it. I think the problem is more on
>>> having a desktop environment with more GNUstep-native applications,
>>> including but not limited to web browser, office suite and development
>>> tools.
>> 
>> Heh.  GNUstep's look is UGLY.   The fact that I was a developer on
>> NeXT machines 20 years ago and that I am the maintainer should add
>> some weight to my opinion.  People are turned off by the default look
>> of the framework out of the box.  Period.   As for a desktop
>> environment, I answered that above.   Apps will come if we make our
>> framework attractive and enticing enough for people to actually want
>> to use it.  Yes, we have to have enough apps to attract users as well,
>> so it's a circular relationship, but thus far the ugly out of the box
>> look has done nothing but bring us grief.
>> 
>>> On having more applications, I think the core and support libraries
>>> should be guaranteed stable and mature APIs. The Etoile-provided
>>> reference applications are awesome and would highlight the power and
>>> flexibility of the core GNUstep that can only be envied by other
>>> desktop environments.
>> 
>> Indeed.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:47 PM, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Window maker doesn't play well with GNUstep...It only works if you want to
>>>> use GNUstep as a Next desktop environment. When running with Windows
>>>> menustyle or Macintosh menustyle it's completely broken. GNUstep needs a
>>>> GNUstep window manager which will allow you to switch between those menu
>>>> styles in a sane and consistent manner.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2 December 2015 at 23:42, Svetlana A. Tkachenko
>>>> <svetlana@members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Window maker sucks, it does not play nice with gnome/kde apps, its too
>>>>>> outdated I guess it does not follow the open desktop standards..
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not know about standards, but wmaker has been the nicest window
>>>>> manager I used thus far. I do not want to put effort into changing it
>>>>> just for the sake of singing along with gnome or kde nicely. I wrote a
>>>>> new thread on this list about this question.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Svetlana A. Tkachenko
>>>>> Member of the Free Software Foundation
>>>>> www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org www.freenode.net
>>>>> 
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>> GC
>> --
>> Gregory Casamento
>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
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