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Re: A wish, a plea
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Sascha Wilde |
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Re: A wish, a plea |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:57:34 +0200 |
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Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) |
Karl Fogel <address@hidden> wrote:
> Sascha Wilde <address@hidden> writes:
>> I'm actually using *scratch* quite often, as a scratch pad for stuff I
>> don't want to save (and don't want to be asked, if I want to save them
>> on exit), as well as for ad-hoc elisp stuff.
>
> Unlike most users, you know how to change any default anyway.
True, and I will if I have to.
But the defaults define the first impression a new user gets from
Emacs, and back when I chose Emacs, I liked the impression of a
powerful hackertool with defaults suiting my needs. *scratch* is not
the one big killer feature, but it's one piece in the puzzle -- and
yes I admit, I'm selfish and I love and want to retain this "written
by hackers for hackers" kind of software. :-)
> We could retain it, but make one of these changes as well:
>
> a) the initial selected buffer be a Fundamental Mode or Text Mode
> buffer ("scratch", "notes", whatever), with buffer-offer-save
> turned on by default.
>
> -or-
>
> b) if we just want to retain *scratch* as-is, that we at least
> default to buffer-offer-save in that buffer, in stock Emacs.
>
> Do you object to both (a) and (b)?
I strongly object to (b) as it is against the idea behind *scratch*.
I could live with (a) given that:
1. The new default buffer is not called *scratch*
2. *scratch* will be still available after starting Emacs (though not
being switched to by default)
3. The old behavior could be easily restored by setting
i-am-an-old-school-hacker-and-want-my-scratch-buffer-back to t (or
something like that). ;-)
> We can keep the *scratch* buffer, if we must, but are you really
> saying that it should also be the default selected buffer,
I like it that way, but as said, it can be made optional, if people
insist on that change...
> and it should not offer to save on exit by default?
Yes! This is an important part of the concept of *scratch*.
sascha
--
Sascha Wilde
Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool.
- Re: A wish, a plea, (continued)
- Re: A wish, a plea, Richard Stallman, 2007/06/23
- Re: A wish, a plea, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2007/06/23
- Re: A wish, a plea, David Kastrup, 2007/06/23
- Re: A wish, a plea, Richard Stallman, 2007/06/24
- Re: A wish, a plea, Hacksaw, 2007/06/23
- Re: A wish, a plea, Sascha Wilde, 2007/06/24
- Re: A wish, a plea, Hacksaw, 2007/06/24
- Re: A wish, a plea, Richard Stallman, 2007/06/24
- Re: A wish, a plea, Sascha Wilde, 2007/06/25
- Re: A wish, a plea, Andreas Schwab, 2007/06/21
- Re: A wish, a plea,
Sascha Wilde <=
- Re: A wish, a plea, Karl Fogel, 2007/06/22
- Re: A wish, a plea, Juanma Barranquero, 2007/06/22
- Re: A wish, a plea, David Kastrup, 2007/06/22
- Re: A wish, a plea, Juanma Barranquero, 2007/06/22
- Re: A wish, a plea, David Kastrup, 2007/06/22
- Re: A wish, a plea, Juanma Barranquero, 2007/06/22
Re: A wish, a plea, Kim F. Storm, 2007/06/22