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Re: Native scrollbars?

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: Native scrollbars?
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:26:16 +0100
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux)

Jan Djärv <address@hidden> writes:

> David Kastrup skrev:
>> Jan Djärv <address@hidden> writes:
>>> David Kastrup skrev:
>>>> Toolkit native scrollbars are the default with Emacs.  They don't annoy
>>>> a lot of users apparently.  Probably also because the geek demographic
>>>> of Emacs is different from that of XEmacs.
>>> IMHO, the XEmacs Lucid scroll bars look much better than Emacs native
>>> scrollbars.  I think that may be a factor also.
>> I was of the opinion that both used the same code (Lucid), so it would
>> probably just be a matter of the default settings.
>> Personally, I use
>> (setq-default scroll-bar-width 15)
> I don't think I have any settings that affects this. I attach a screen
> shot of lucid scroll bars in XEmacs (left) and Emacs (right).  The
> difference is apparent.  It could possibly be fixed by some X resource
> setting, I haven't tried.
> Anyway, the Emacs native scroll bar isn't based on Lucid, and looks
> much worse.

Well, mine looks like

PNG image

and that's without-toolkit-scroll-bars.  So I was mistaken about this
using the Lucid code.  Incidentally, the scroll bar width of the
minibuffer appears unaffected from my settings, and this might be a
bug.  My screen might look a bit prettier otherwise.

So now I don't think it is an option to compile with GTK+ overall while
using Lucid scrollbars.  Sorry for the confusion.

I'm fine with the resulting ugliness in the Emacs-native scrollbars:
using Gtk+ for the rest certainly gives a much nicer appearance overall
than using either Athena Widgets or Lucid for everything.

David Kastrup

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